"North And South" TCMMY One on One Session with Matt and Nicole Gillette

This episode is special, featuring not just Matt and Nicole, but also a surprise guest appearance by the Queen herself! Prepare to be inspired by their journey of growth, adaptation, and deep love, as they share candid insights on how they've navigated changes in their relationship and individual passions.

Matt and Nicole reveal their experiences of moving across states for familial support amid health crises and the unique challenges and joys of parenthood. Hear how these life changes, including a family cancer diagnosis during the pandemic, have shaped their perspectives and enriched their personal and professional lives. Nicole's unexpected leap into self-employment with the creation of Wonder Learning is a highlight, showcasing her midnight epiphany that blossomed into a venture fostering family connections and community support.

Tune in to hear their reflections on personal growth, favorite Pennsylvania foods, and the importance of maintaining a pos

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Chapters

• 0:38 Relationships and Growth Over Time
• 4:31 Lessons From Geographical Moves and Parenthood
• 17:01 Unexpected Journey Into Self-Employment
• 22:04 Creating Family Connections
• 36:31 Education and Real Estate Challenges
• 41:25 Embracing Change and Trusting in God
• 44:48 Building Community and Personal Growth
• 52:14 Work, Worship, and PA Food Favorites
• 56:55 Culinary Favorites and Faith Reflections

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:39

what's up everybody. Welcome back to the call me, mr you, in our one-on-one sessions. The queen is in the house for the first time. What's up, girl? And of course, our good friends Matt and Nicole Gillette, an entrepreneur power couple, in the house. How you guys doing.

Speaker 2: 0:54

Good, thank you. How are you?

Speaker 1: 0:56

Long time since we chatted man. A lot has been going on with you guys, but overall, you guys doing well Want to chat a little bit.

Speaker 2: 1:03

Yeah, ready, yeah, ready yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:04

Let's do it. Let's do it. Awesome, all right. So last time we talked y'all had moved from where we are. We'll probably get into that a good bit, but y'all moved a good bit, moved back with some family and you're doing a lot of things in the entrepreneurial realm and it's kind of awesome to hear that, but I think you guys had an anniversary recently. Right, we did.

Speaker 2: 1:27

Yeah, happy belated anniversary how many years anniversary it's been eight years thank you 12 12 years, all right, 12 years married 20 something together yeah, okay, yeah, we started well, I know many on here probably want to know the secret of a happy marriage.

Speaker 1: 1:45

I don't know if we can tell them that, but if you haven't found a secret, what have you learned so far that you can share? Oh, man. I think I told you guys were coming, so I'm surprised.

Speaker 2: 1:59

I think having fun together is really a big.

Speaker 1: 2:02

Thing.

Speaker 2: 2:04

Yeah, matt loves to joke around and and do fun stuff and um he, he pulls that out of me and I think that that keeps things like always exciting and new.

Speaker 3: 2:16

Uh, yeah, I mean I one. Somebody told me one time when we were getting married to never stop dating, and I try to write that on every wedding card that we go to because that's important to feel like you haven't just like gotten married. And then here's the end. You know, now we just live together. So you know, like to continue to. I don't know we, I'm a different person this year than I was last year. So, wow, continue to learn people. Uh, you know about each other and never like stop trying so I love that.

Speaker 1: 2:48

Can you share a little bit about what you mean? You say you're a different person. Can you get into that, or is that too personal?

Speaker 3: 2:53

oh no, I mean like I still don't want to know what I want to do when I grow up.

Speaker 3: 2:59

So you know, like a is a little bit different come on, man, wow, we've got different things going on now and we have things that we're passionate about and we have things that the lord's put inside our heart and like, but every day is a little bit different and so, um, you know, we're learning new things, we're trying new things all the time. So what I'm passionate about has has you know from a vocational standpoint, has been the same for about the last eight years, but it pivots a lot.

Speaker 2: 3:28

So yeah, it's really interesting because we've known each other so long, so there are, of course, things that stay consistent over the years, but a lot does change too. So it's kind of like learning to grow and change together, and sometimes one of us um, you know, I'm sure anyone who's been together for a long time would understand this it's like you might, one might be changing at one pace and the other one's changing at the other, but like how to still be together while that's happening at different times.

Speaker 3: 3:58

It's it makes well, yeah, that's good priorities today are not the same as my priorities tomorrow, so, and then they might go back to what they were next week.

Speaker 1: 4:08

So you know, it's all adapting okay, got some people chiming in to say hello. Hey, buddy of mine, we do a show together on Thursday nights, our wrestling show. You want to jump in and say hi? He's all about relationships as well, I guess. So good to see you, spade, a buddy of mine. We do a show together on Thursday nights, our wrestling show. If you want to jump in and say hi, he's all about relationships as well, I guess. So good to see you, sped. Thanks for jumping in and joining us on this show today. You guys made a big geographical move, which is kind of funny, because most people trade the snow in and the cold for the sunshine. They move down to the south. You guys kind of did it in a little bit of a different way, kind of walk us through that.

Speaker 3: 4:43

Yeah, so we both grew up in New Jersey. We spent our whole early lives there, until about 22, 23, and then we moved down to Charleston, south Carolina, and we were down there for about eight years and then, in February 2020, our world got shook up like everybody else's. In February 2020, our world got shook up like everybody else's, but for us, my dad got sick and got diagnosed with multiple myeloma, which is like bone marrow cancer. So at that time, nicole was teaching, so she was teaching remotely and I was doing construction full time in real estate, and so we kind of had to we're trying to figure out how to navigate the construction and the real estate. So I wasn't in people's houses as much as I was before too.

Speaker 3: 5:27

So we came up here to help my dad and my mom transition through that time period because it was, you know, one new to them, but also new to the doctors in that space too and trying to figure out how to do chemo and treatment during COVID. And so we came up here they take they, you know, my grandmother lives with my mom and dad too, so helping take care of the responsibilities that they have while my dad went through that transition. So so, yeah, so that's what got us here. And then it was about two years of doing kind of part-time back and forth. Like we bought some real estate investments here in PA and so we kind of did, uh, some months in Pennsylvania and some months in South Carolina and then, um, we have two children, so we have a four-year-old and a three-year-old now, and so they were what two and one at the time, or three and one, two and two and less than one.

Speaker 3: 6:25

Yeah, alanis was born here in Pennsylvania, so yeah, so those drives in the truck were getting a little rough. And then also, you know, um, we have family that we made in South Carolina but we didn't have any biological family in South Carolina and so, not knowing especially my dad's prognosis, and then also Nicole's family still all lives in New Jersey, so the drive to New Jersey is closer from PA I mean, it's still seven hours, but it's closer to PA than it is from South Carolina. So so, yeah, we felt the tug to be up here and relocated up here.

Speaker 1: 7:04

Okay, well, I would have had an honor of you guys. I know that you would enjoy the reminder of Jersey. I know how you felt about that, so I did it for you, maddie, just to bless you brother. That's why I did this. But most of them most of them was all of our conversations over the years has surrounded parenthood, even when Nico was like super little, and the challenges that come with it. We've got three grown daughters who always see the kind of the grandchildren and they're growing pain. You'll see Well, your daughter and her growing pains too. But yeah, what is some of the lesson that you learned in the recent years about parenthood and juggling that challenge?

Speaker 3: 7:44

about parenthood and juggling that challenge. I'll let you start that Cause that's. I mean, that's kind of one of the main reasons why you're starting your new business too.

Speaker 2: 7:53

Yeah, parenthood is the best gift in every way because it's it's just like all the obvious joys of it getting to be able to see new people and help raise them and all the like fun things that come along with kids. But it's also a gift in that it gives us challenges to walk through that just refine us. I was just saying this to somebody yesterday.

Speaker 2: 8:21

I feel like when you're a parent, it's like all of a sudden a mirror is like held up to you or he's like whoa here are some things that I kind of forgot about in myself or like things that I might get triggered by or things that I see that they might be struggling in, that I think they got for me and, um, yeah, it's like a gift, though, because it helps like heal stuff in in yourself and then it also allows you to, um, hopefully be able to support your child or children through that too, whatever it might be. Um, but also the the funny and fun stuff too, like I will see things in our kids that I know they got from one of us, things that like, oh, I haven't seen that in a while, like we used to be like or say things like that when we were younger too. So it's kind of cool how that works, yeah, okay.

Speaker 3: 9:13

Yeah, like a mirror is like one of the biggest things that I feel like I've noticed and I realize my own deficiencies and insufficiencies much in a brighter scale now, because I can't or I can. It gives an opportunity for me to say to our kids I struggle with that too, and you're not alone in this, and become a teaching moment and being humble in that too, because when you're just like by yourself or you're running around all the time, you can usually just brush it under the rug.

Speaker 2: 9:52

Yeah.

Speaker 3: 9:55

But it's fun.

Speaker 2: 9:57

Yeah, parenting also, I think, gave me a new perspective and compassion and understanding for others. The first people that come to mind are like our own parents, so seeing like oh, that's what it was like probably you know for you and you were raising us and just like an appreciation for them and just other family members and in our lives too. I also am thinking of being on the other side of the table now. For years I was a teacher and I didn't have kids for the majority of my teaching career and now I can see, like how it feels to be the parent on the other side too.

Speaker 1: 11:18

Right right.

Speaker 2: 11:19

Yeah, enriches, like your understanding of others.

Speaker 1: 11:24

I love that. Well, you guys have both experienced the lifestyle of being in the North and in the South. I think I have Wanda to a lesser degree because she's from the South solely. But what have you learned about yourself in PA and in South Carolina, both separately? I'm big into self-development. I guess you guys know that already about me. But what have you learned about yourselves in your time in pa and in your time down here in the south?

Speaker 3: 11:53

big takeaways anyways I'm one of the biggest adjustments that I got had to get used to when we moved down south too. Was that like? Uh, I had this, like I'll tell you an experience, like we were checking out. I was checking out the grocery store we had just I had just moved down there, because I moved down there during the middle of the school year and Nicole wanted to finish out teaching her school year, so I moved down there in December. So I was down there by myself for about six months. Nicole came to visit but, you know, didn't move down until the school year I finished. And I remember telling you a story of going to the grocery store and checking out and I'm coming from working in Manhattan and living in New Jersey and the lady checking the stuff out was like hey, how are?

Speaker 3: 12:33

you doing and you just mm-hmm, yep, and checking stuff out and then picking up. I remember she picked up a vegetable or something and was like ooh yeah, this, what are you going to make with this? And me just being like you don't really care. Why are you asking? You know, just put this up in the grocery and realizing that there are people that are not just like rush, rush, rush, rush, rush, like people actually genuinely care and slow down and like they're not trying to ask you to then take them to the store and you know which is fine too, but like there's not an ulteriorterior motive. And I feel like up growing up in New Jersey and then working in New York, it was like you always feel like someone's out to get you yeah someone's got an ulterior motive and why they're talking to you for something.

Speaker 3: 13:18

So I it was like this thing I had to learn like, oh, yeah, people actually like want to know your recipe and they don't care that there's 10 people in line behind you. Yeah, so that was like a shift, um, to actually like slow down and have conversations with people and like actually like really care about them as human beings, even down to like having a conversation in a line at the grocery store that's's good, man.

Speaker 1: 13:45

Good, how about you, nicole?

Speaker 2: 13:48

As you were talking, I guess I was thinking about everybody has. There are like common things in people everywhere, and I think that I anticipated the big differences. Moving from New Jersey to South Carolina and then even out to Pennsylvania, it's like a rural area where we are a bit more where we are now and what I've come to see every single time is everybody wants to be seen, everybody wants to be loved, everybody is looking to find like purpose and in connection in life, and so that's a takeaway I've found, especially as again going back to the family topic how to communicate that to our kids and how to communicate that to the larger community, wherever we might find ourselves. I also think I have just recently begun to see our moving around so much as a blessing I really struggled with it for most of the years that we were doing it, I think, just like this sense of instability, also because even within I know you all know this too even within one space of us living, we would move around several times in that city and so

Speaker 2: 15:09

it was hard and I think rightfully so, like I think there is like validity to that for sure, because I think stability is a good thing and feeling settled in ways is a good thing. But I also have seen that, not to sound like cliche, but it, the home is where the heart is, it's like the people that you're with and it's that um sense of feeling again like belonging. Um, and I I've just seen that where I think I've made peace with it a bit and found some encouragement, that of like we could move a thousand more times, but like if we have each other, we have our family, we have friends, and even if you don't in places, you make that and you find that and um, it's like a comforting really. I think I've I've seen lately, that's good.

Speaker 1: 15:56

All the years that we've known you, entrepreneurship has always been kind of part of our conversation too. I mean everything from king Arthur's castle to redbird now and wonder learning. I want to get into some of that stuff. But I want to ask you a question. Generally speaking, are you surprised by where you are as business owners? Is this a change you saw coming in any way, or was it kind of like, kind of a big shock, some of this stuff or all of it?

Speaker 2: 16:22

That's a good question. Do you have an? If you're still thinking, yeah, I'm for me, I am shocked that I am doing what I'm doing this past year. Um, it's very different than what I've done in the past. Um, there's a lot of carry over, of course, but I, yeah, I, I think I but to see it in you over, of course, but I, yeah, I, I think I but to see it in you. Um, maybe like years ago, when he first started, um, when you became an entrepreneur, maybe it was a bit of an adjustment or like, oh, wow, I could see that in you, or I could see those strengths in you, but I guess I never like, yeah, pictured it, but here we are, and but now it's like years later. I'm not shocked by a lot of, I think, what you're doing, because it kind of just makes sense. Um, like seeing your different giftings and your experiences. It's really fun to see how things just like start to fall into place and it's like oh, this that thing you did like seven years ago.

Speaker 2: 17:19

that felt a bit random at the time. I see how you're using it now. I see that a lot in your life using it.

Speaker 3: 17:25

Now I see that a lot in your life. Yeah, that's good. Yeah, I mean, I think for me I just I never, I never pictured myself being self-employed 100%. I always kind of envisioned, like growing up in New Jersey, I mean, you see entrepreneurs, but I just knew people with a lot of side hustles. You know, I got three, four side hustles. And so I just kind of envisioned like, yeah, I'd have this thing, but I'd always it always be a side hustle and it would never really be like my full-time thing. And so, yeah, I feel, I feel very blessed to be able to not just do one thing but do two or three. I think I guess I'm just a full time side hustler now, you know get that business card ready, man.

Speaker 1: 18:12

Get it made. I love that. I love that. Nicole, can you describe for me what kind of drove the whole process of the Wonder Learning company. How'd you get to this place where you are doing what you're doing? You said it was kind of a surprise to you. Kind of walk us through how you got from where we knew you to be at to being the leader and a visionary of Wonder Learning. Kind of walk us through that.

Speaker 2: 18:38

Yeah, well, I know you both know me well and you would probably agree when I say I'm a bit more introverted, I can be quiet and I. I can be quiet and I also like. I don't love. I don't love like being, I don't know in these more forward facing roles all the time. But yeah, to be honest, I was very happy and content. I was at the time when this all started coming into place.

Speaker 1: 19:07

I was at home with both Nico where did you go, like we lost our people here what did you guys do?

Speaker 2: 19:21

can you see us?

Speaker 1: 19:22

yeah, we can just let me know you can take a break. We can put you on pause. Okay, what were you saying?

Speaker 2: 19:28

continue yeah, I was. I was stay-at-home mom with both nico and alana's they both, I guess, about like one and two, three at the time and it's very like happy to just be like in my own space and I loved being home and I am for sure somebody like I will need to get out sometimes. Like we'll go, you know, see friends or go to the library, go whatever. Like I'm not always just like wanting to be home, but I do enjoy being home and I was like perfectly content but I did. I think there was like now that I look back on it I can see there were like stirrings in my heart about some stuff that I missed, or maybe some things that I didn't get a chance to see or explore yet, of which I would say, like I missed my students, I missed being just around a bunch of people, like in the classroom.

Speaker 2: 20:15

That was a hard transition where I was used to being around you know large groups of people every day and like coworkers and like classes of you know 30 kids at a time, and so to then go to being home, which is the two of them you know, especially during the days where, like they didn't talk very much and they cried. It's not like being around, like people you can have conversations with, you know, and so it was a big transition. But I came to enjoy it and I was happy. But, um, yeah, to be honest, the way that it came about, I woke up in the middle of the night and I was like I never wake up in the middle of the night right like I barely wake up.

Speaker 2: 20:54

I'm a really heavy sleeper and I will never forget it. I just like sat up in bed like wide awake and I was like I need to do something with kids here in in the medieval area and um, it was like very fuzzy at that time.

Speaker 2: 21:11

I didn't know what exactly it would look like and, um, I didn't really know exactly how I felt about it, but I was like I know that I am supposed to be doing something with kids, and so over the next year it was like a little bit more of light being shed on it, a little more clarity as we move through different iterations of what it was maybe going to be. And now we're at where we are now. So that's why I say it was a shock, because I I really didn't anticipate doing something like this, but I I've been loving it so far. It's been very hard in a lot of ways. I've learned a lot, um, over the past year or so, but, um, I really am loving it too okay.

Speaker 1: 21:51

Well, for all you guys that love to listen to audio podcast, the wonder learning podcast is incredible. Definitely invite you to check it out on apple podcast. I'll be spotify, you should be. For all you guys that love to listen to audio podcasts, the Wonder Learning podcast is incredible. Definitely invite you to check it out on Apple Podcasts Spotify, you should be able to find it there, but Apple Podcasts for sure. Kind of tell us what the vision is for Wonder Learning. I don't feel explaining why, how it came about, but what are you trying to accomplish with it? What's the end goal? What's the big picture or goal for Wonder Learning?

Speaker 2: 22:15

If you can share that with us. Yeah, the big picture is just that families are connecting with each other and with other families around them. You know, we are just in such a distracted and busy, overwhelmed world and a lot of times, families are just feeling the brunt of that. I saw it when I was in education and I see it even now in our own family, as we're parents ourselves. It's like this just sense of like feeling like we need to perform and we need to be like doing all the things, and a lot of times it's like the quality time gets put on the back burner and it's really to all of our detriment ourselves as individuals, our relationships with our kids and our relationships that are so critical to happiness and community with other families and other people around us.

Speaker 2: 23:05

And so, yeah, that's the vision of what we're trying to do, and so we're going to have a space that will have an indoor play space. We'll also have classes. There's going to be parent coaching that's offered in the space. Yeah, come alongside families that are working towards all different types of goals, whatever it might be, whether it's like a behavioral goal or it's an academic goal, or just, yeah, looking for new and different ways to connect with each other. So there'll be different types of classes that will do that. Some will be focused just with, like, adults and we say parents, but of course, like I've already been collaborating with other people who don't have kids themselves but they're involved in the lives of kids, whether they're, you know, an aunt or a grandparent or an educator, to like just anybody who works with kids will be offering different themed classes and experiences there.

Speaker 1: 24:01

That's awesome, and so it's going to be some online resources as well, too. For people who are not close to where you are, but want to kind of join in and partner and collaborate with you, will there be online resources available too?

Speaker 2: 24:14

Yeah, that's one of the reasons we started the podcast. It's called Raising Wonder and it was like, honestly, just like an additional thing that we were wanting to offer that was free and accessible to anyone who maybe, like, is not in the area or is not able to, for whatever reason, participate in the parent coaching or take the class or anything like that. We're like, well, this could just be something people might be interested. We could talk on the podcast about some of the topics we'd be covering in the space, also, just like any topics related to raising kids and what that looks like.

Speaker 2: 24:46

Again whether you have kids yourself or not. We've been able to talk to all different types of people from different backgrounds. And it's funny because, like it's been really well received, a lot of people are asking about you know like when's the next episode? And, um, I was listening to the podcast and it was like surprising me. I was like, oh, it's funny. It's actually like just like this little side thing that we were doing. I think we should put a little more respect on it of like maybe like get some real equipment or like spend some more time editing it, but it's been fun, like don't have to tell you you're doing such an awesome job and I'll have to maybe get some advice from you, because, yeah, we've been having fun doing it, that's awesome.

Speaker 1: 25:26

The whole family situation. I mean we can all probably talk about that for a whole hour, the whole family dynamic. It's always a sticky situation because these are the folks that know you the best and then the closest to you. So if they want to, if they want to do things or they have motives, you're right in proximity. So it's always. It's always tough to kind of navigate the the this tough family dynamic, because your heart's attached to it all. But you guys made big sacrifices to do what you're doing. When it comes to family, what, what have you learned or what's been the biggest challenge in making the moves and the sacrifices you guys made? Even from your home in Jersey and PA, where you had family, move away to South Carolina where you didn't have any, you start making new family, like you said, and then moving back to PA again and being around the same folks. What's been one of the if you had to name one big challenge for each of you, what's that been? If you can share, if it's not too personal?

Speaker 3: 26:30

I feel like I could say yours, but I don't really know mine. Oh, go ahead.

Speaker 1: 26:35

I was going to play the Jeopardy music in a few minutes.

Speaker 3: 26:38

I mean for you. You're still. Obviously we've known each other for a long time, so like my family is your family and we're married and your family is my family, but like you're still far from your mom and your dad and your sister and your brother, and so you guys have a really close-knit family.

Speaker 3: 26:57

So, brother, and so you guys have a really close-knit family. So moving around was a huge sacrifice for you, even choosing to move to South Carolina. I mean, I remember having conversations about moving to Morristown and it was, you know, an hour 45 minutes away yeah and so then we moved to Charleston and then here, and so you know, you guys have a very good, close-knit relationship with your brothers and your sisters and your mom yeah so I know that that's been a huge sacrifice for you yeah, they've been gracious each time.

Speaker 2: 27:22

They're like hoping that we're gonna say like, hey, we're moving back to new jersey. It's like every new move we've moved so many times they're always so kind about, even though I know that they miss us a lot, but they're awesome with making time to visit us.

Speaker 1: 27:38

We make time to visit them we also.

Speaker 2: 27:40

So we're grateful for technology. Today too. We, you know video that all the time with our family, my family in New Jersey. Um, yeah, well, that's true that that's a good one. That is a challenge.

Speaker 2: 27:53

I was also I don't know if this exactly answers the question, but I was also thinking like I have found, through parenting, a challenge yeah, I guess it's not specific to the moving piece of that question but a working in schools. I think that I thought a lot will come easier to me than it did. I still am just like learning every day and I struggle through different things. And you know I'll be hard on myself and say, like you know, I worked with kids for you know X many years and why am I having a hard time with this behavior? Or like I don't know what I'm supposed to do as a mom in this situation. So it's been, I think, humbling to see that we are all just trying our best and, I think, also to have empathy for others too who are going through maybe similar struggles, and even those who might not have a background in education or like our new parents, or have never really been around kids before. It's just giving me a heart for that a bit more.

Speaker 3: 29:24

Yeah, I mean specific to moving in geographical issues are the hardest obstacles that we've run through. You know, getting a business started, set up, building a clientele in South Carolina, and then shutting it down and moving here was a transition and that was hard. And so trying to find new clients, I mean you, you, you lessen those speed bumps, they're a little less frequent, you know. You know how to get started, you know like a little more about how to grow and how to market, but, uh, who you should talk to, what groups you should talk to. But I mean, we were at a point in South Carolina where we, you know, we had really good sub lists, we had a wait list, we had people that knew who we were. You know, we weren't advertising at all and we were busy. So coming here and then having to spend money on marketing again and meet people and like explain what you do is it's an obstacle yeah, our names are Matt and Nicole.

Speaker 2: 30:37

Yeah, we just moved from Charleston and like explaining over and over again like who you are, it's like when you finally get past that and you have those relationships of like we can just be like, oh, what was your day, like you know, because we know each other. Now that's a gift that I don't think I realized before. Having to do that so many times, after moving multiple times.

Speaker 3: 30:53

The art of an inside joke.

Speaker 2: 30:55

Yeah, you miss your friends too. You miss people that you spent so much time with, and it's hard too to see again as a parent, like in our kids too. They were pretty young, obviously, when we moved, but Nico still remembers people and things from Charlon and will ask about it and want to go. He was actually just saying he wanted to go back and eat oysters. So it's like, yeah, it makes you a little sad of like, oh, they're missing. It was a hard transition, but I think it's it. It builds character, it teaches lessons too, and you know, again, it's that piece of like we might have moved, we might miss things, we might miss people and places, but we're still together, like our unit is still together and we could still.

Speaker 3: 31:38

I was going to say that too, and that's like that's been talking about obstacles, but it's been a benefit too, because you know, nico, we took them down to Pittsburgh. We spent a lot of time in Pittsburgh after Alanis was born because she had some health conditions that we had to take her to a specialized physical therapist in Pittsburgh, that we had to take her to a specialized physical therapist in Pittsburgh, and so we spent a lot of time traveling down there. But we would make the most of it. So we'd spend the night at a hotel, we'd go to the zoo, we'd do something like that time.

Speaker 3: 32:05

But Niko has this new obsession with Pittsburgh now, and whenever we're there he'll say, like when we're done with the house we're living in now, can we move to Pittsburghburgh? Like he has no identity of what regular people do, where they just move into a house, stay there for 5, 10, 15, 20 years. He thinks like when we're done with this one and we move again, you know, can we try this one? But he's it's not a complaint, it's like he's excited about like what's the next thing we're gonna do?

Speaker 3: 32:38

yeah and so that's been fun to like turn something that could be an obstacle into something that's like exciting and yeah I'll tell you what.

Speaker 1: 32:48

I refer to you guys as an entrepreneur power couple for a reason, man, you guys I mean matt, you're in the building realm, you're doing construction and industrial, and nicole you're heavy in the building realm, you're doing construction and industrial. Nicole, you're heavy in the education realm. Now you're doing a podcast, which is awesome. I'm trying to figure out how you guys think about the time that we're in.

Speaker 1: 33:07

When I look at what goes on around us, I think about you guys, because in 2020, that was probably one of the worst times for both markets that you're in educationally and with real estate the impact was crippling, to say the least. So I think about how things are changing so much. How do you view what you guys are doing? Do you see it as long-term bulletproof opportunities or do you see it as something, as a springboard into something else? How do you guys view it? If you don't mind sharing that kind of kind of going to your brain into the synopsis in your brain, kind of figure out how you're thinking. But what do you think about that? Because both of those areas are they're stable and they're steady because the world needs them, but when we have a wild economic situation, it can be impacted greatly what you guys are doing. So how do you guys view what you're doing long term? Big picture wise yeah, that's good.

Speaker 3: 34:03

Yeah, do you want to go first?

Speaker 2: 34:05

Sure, yeah, that's a great question. It's like very true, I hadn't even thought about it. Like us together, like with the two fields that we're into, that's very accurate. Yeah, I'll start out by just sharing my love for teachers. They are some of the hardest working people and they really love what they do and they love their students.

Speaker 2: 34:31

You know every field has like outliers and special circumstances of what might happen and but I mean, like I can say confidently, working in different areas over the years, different schools, meeting many different educators. They need some love, they need some support, they need they need to be paid more they need to get just like all the things, yeah, the whole teaching through those couple of years, I mean even still happening right now.

Speaker 2: 35:02

I'm thinking of many of my teacher friends who are, like they've been in the classroom for a while now in school didn't even maybe start yet and they're just, like you know, setting things up, thinking about their kids that are going to be coming through those doors, spending a lot of their own money like making sure that they have everything they need. And so it's still even right now as we speak, probably I'm confident of that. But I think, especially through those years you mentioned too with teaching virtually it was a huge challenge in all the ways that we have come to see, and I think we're going to still see effects of it down the line that we don't even know about yet. But I am optimistic in other ways too, because of just like the powerhouse of people who are in the education world and have that it's like they have training and knowledge but they have, like this heart behind what they do too. I just like I'm optimistic of maybe things that could be changed or the narrative might be able to be shifted or new ideas might come into that field in the coming years. I would love to still be a part of that and I hope that Wonder, in one sense, can be doing just that. And I hope that Wonder, in one sense, can be doing just that.

Speaker 2: 36:31

For a while, I was able to help train and lead newer and younger teachers and model through the classroom day like what are best practices, how can we support kids, and I would leave so many of those interactions and thinking, specifically a lot of conferences I'd have with parents who I just like came to love and felt like they were my own family too, leaving those conversations, just wishing I wish we had more time together. I wish that we could this very challenge that we talked about whether it was behavioral or academic or just like social, emotional, transitioning from one thing to the next as kids grow up or as families go through changes, the next as kids grow up or as families go through changes, like I just would leave those meetings, wishing we had more time together and that we could actually practice these things like in real time. And so that's what I hope to see happening at Wonder. I really look forward to that. So like just being with a family for like an hour straight, like parents and kids or whoever other caregiver or family member that might be involved in their life and having that goal we're working towards and get to do it like in a connecting, bonding, hopefully fun way to support them.

Speaker 2: 37:44

So, yeah, I think that that's what I took, I took away from that time period. It was a challenging time to be an educator and and to be in that field and it's it still is in a lot of ways, like I said, but I I'm excited to be able to hopefully to be in that field and it's it still is in a lot of ways, like I said, but I I'm I'm excited to be able to hopefully be a part of something that might be shifting in the culture with that.

Speaker 3: 38:04

That's good To piggyback off what you said. I think that whenever you have a huge shift like we had, like globally, you have a lot of people that might be in and out of the profession trying something new, and so I have hope that being a teacher is not an easy job. It wasn't an easy job before, it's not an easy job now and it won't be an easy job ever, but during that time it was extra hard, and so you lost a lot of teachers. You lost a lot of educators. Know, you lost a lot of teachers. You lost a lot of educators you lost a lot of across all different fields. But I remain optimistic that the people that are still in it, that were in it before, that are still in it, saw the changes during the pandemic, still have a new um rejuvenated energy for what could be, and you have, like the cream of the crop you know, still there that fought through it and are still caring about their students.

Speaker 3: 39:02

So, yeah, for me personally, I think that you know we saw a lot of changes during COVID with interest rates and buying patterns and you know people tenants losing their jobs and things like that, and so for us, we were very blessed in that we, our management side, we we didn't miss a month of rent and when a tenant had issues where they had lost their job, they were in between jobs. They were doing the best they could. You know, we created programs where people could pay weekly, they could get on payment plans, but we managed all the properties we had with, you know, no loss in income during that time. So we were very blessed in that aspect. So we were very blessed in that aspect. We did some buying and selling during that time, which was hard because there was lots of people buying and selling when rates were 2% and 2.5%.

Speaker 3: 40:09

And so to talk about long-term plans for that or fear in the market, I'm really thinking long-term on what is going to happen when a lot of people who bought their houses at two and a half percent with a 30 year mortgage, like, what does that do when you now outgrown your house five years later and you want to scale up, but now your mortgage is seven percent.

Speaker 3: 40:28

You don't want to let go of the two and a half. Is that going to increase property management, where people are going to now have more second homes, third homes onto that, you know? Or is it going to increase the construction side, because now they're going to do an addition off of their existing house? Because, yeah, so like that's what I'm thinking through and that's why we are now, we started a property management firm as well, so we're trying to grow that side, because we've managed our own properties now for about eight years and had a portfolio of about 30 properties, a mix of long term and short term but now we're going to start doing it for clients as well, and so that's how we're trying to pivot to how that, how I see that market going in the next couple of years, and then also the construction offsets that a little bit as well.

Speaker 1: 41:21

Okay, congratulations, man. That's awesome. We're definitely proud of you, man. One thing I try to encourage folks to do is because, even though we hear all the things the changes of the tide economically in the world and all the different things that happen, all the factors we have to factor in when we're entrepreneurs in any way is that I try to encourage that we have the answers because of who God is in our life. We have the answers to a lot of the questions that are going to pop up. A lot of the issues are going to happen. We have answers for them. We have to be the answer.

Speaker 1: 41:49

I'll let you answer this with a yes, a not yet or no. Keep it simple for you, right? Do you see yourself as part of the future solution? Has it been revealed to you that you are part of the future solution, with education and the way it's going to look in five or 10 years from now? And on the industrial side, real estate side, do you see yourself as part of the solution to how it's going to grow and change? You say yes, no or maybe, or not yet.

Speaker 2: 42:22

I say maybe, okay, that's fair. The light is still like dim, but it's good for what?

Speaker 3: 42:25

I'm doing I would say, yes, like I see us pivoting um in that direction, and you know, every day. That's why I said I don't know what I want to do, girl, when I grow up, because every day the market changes and and you might stay within your same highway, but you're in a different lane, and so um and so I, you know, I'm thankful that the lord has given us the gifts and the talents that he has, and I think that we are part of the solution, because we are just trying to be obedient to what he has for us. Um and so, um, yeah, at the end of the day, if we're not part of the solution, I believe that God will correct us and make us part of it.

Speaker 2: 43:07

We're just like along for the ride, trying to be obedient and trusting in him.

Speaker 1: 43:11

So, yes, I guess it would have to be a yes then, really when you put it that way. Yeah, that's okay to have all the answers. I really, when you put it that way, yeah, that's okay to not have all the answers.

Speaker 2: 43:18

I don't expect anybody to know it.

Speaker 1: 43:20

Yeah, yeah, got to stay under the learning tree and keep on receiving that fruit. I mean, you undoubtedly have many people who value you and your own stomping grounds out here, and we're part of that. What are you discovering about MeVille that kind of has been a pleasant surprise, or that kind of makes the move make sense, because anytime we move I've moved probably 30 times before I've even met Wanda Literally, that's not an exaggeration In New York, I've moved about 20 times just in New York alone. I don't include Florida and South Carolina but what have you learned that has made the move make sense in your mind, like you know what? This is definitely right. We needed to do this, so that it's been a pleasant surprise for you and both of you guys can answer this one Pleasant surprise and what made the move make sense to you has been revealed to you.

Speaker 3: 44:06

If you can answer that, I would say that the fellowship of believers that we have found here has been great, and that was hard because we left, as you know, a really good fellowship of believers in Charleston and so we, you know, we miss our family down there that we built, but we came up here and really prayed about it and moved around and tried different churches, like you do when you move to a certain area and we feel like I mean I can speak for the both of us. I think I feel like the Lord. You know, it's like when you're putting a puzzle piece together and it's just like a thousand-piece puzzle and it's scattered on the table and all of a sudden you're like, oh, this one pops in. It feels like it made some sense. All these random things have gone around. Once we started meeting the people in our church and getting to know them, some of those puzzle pieces started to really like pop together.

Speaker 3: 45:18

And yeah, you know, we belong to a church that's called Radiant here in Meadville and they do church. It's a micro church model and so we, you know, we do a church where we we meet in right now in a home and it's getting big. It's about 40 people, 45 people on Sunday in the living room and dining room of a home with a lot of kids and. But we love church family, you know.

Speaker 3: 45:50

I love it, family. You know, um, I love it and then um the the basis of that. We also have a coffee truck that's called not we. The church has a coffee truck that's called 205 fahrenheit and the goal is to we've acquired a building and we're renovating that, where church will then meet in the coffee truck, in the coffee house, and so it will become hopefully a third place for a lot of people in the community who come in and get coffee and things throughout the week and then hopefully we'll join us for church on Sunday. That's also pouring into the community, not just being a sayer of things but a doer of the word. I feel like has really resonated where I feel like a lot of churches can you know, you come here on Sunday and that's it, and then we'll see you next Sunday, and there's not a lot of involvement, and I'm not throwing shade in that way, but we wanted something more and always like questioned why the church wasn't involved in the community as much, and so yeah it's.

Speaker 3: 46:55

it's really been awesome to be, a part of that and see that yeah, that's awesome.

Speaker 2: 46:58

I love me love. I love living in this area. Um, a few things come to mind, things similar to what you were saying, um, just meeting people in that way in our church and in that community, um, like people who you you know, like you meet somebody and you feel like you've known them forever. It's there's been lots of relationships that have been formed like that and it's just really great. Um, and it's like in in the ways that you just feel loved and supported, but also like calling you up to do what you're being asked to do. It's like allowing us to really walk out in faith and try, just try, things that I feel like are on our heart, and so that community has really supported us in that way. And then I think what I love about Meadville and something that I I was surprised to learn was just like I thought was really interesting was there's a big artistic community here and I love the arts um, yeah, I, I love like media arts.

Speaker 2: 48:08

I love painting and drawing and all of that. I also love theater and I love music and um, there's a lot of that here and it's so cool, okay. Um, where you just like meet people too, where they're like there's an arts collective here. There's um just an emphasis on being able to have, uh, I think there's like three theaters like performing arts theaters in the area. There's definitely at least two and um, we, yeah, I just I don't know, I just I have found that to be really cool about this area and so I've like quickly became endeared to it, because I was like this is, this is like my jam.

Speaker 1: 48:45

I like all this awesome, so Matt singing. So is Matt singing again. So I'm excited, is he is sitting there.

Speaker 3: 48:51

Yeah, he is, I do lead worship at church. Yeah, what I'm not on the stage, I'm not. They did a rendition of Jersey Boys. I probably should have shined up for that.

Speaker 2: 49:08

That would work.

Speaker 1: 49:12

Of course that's awesome, man. So last entrepreneurship business question for you guys. For most entrepreneurs, their goal is to work until it starts feeling like work, or work until they can retire. What's the end game for what you guys are both doing individually? What's the end game If you can see, if you see that fall into the future? Have you even seen that yet? But what's the end goal for the work that you guys are doing?

Speaker 3: 49:40

For me it started out. I'll be honest, it started out very selfish, you know. It started out as I want to be in control of my time. I want to nobody tell me what to do. I want to invest in real estate for long-term wealth and my family's generational change.

Speaker 3: 49:59

And it has really shifted, which is a testament to the Lord in that he can take things that you didn't even plan them to be a certain way and turn them differently, like right now. It really is. I think I can say that and he's working on me. Like I said, it changes day by day, but it really is like just to hear well done that, good and faithful servant, because we have taken the things that we thought were for our own selfish motivations and changed them into something that serves people and also feeds our family and our bills are paid and all that and so like it has shifted from how quickly, how soon can I retire, can I retire at 40 and just live off of this to like how long can my body take doing this?

Speaker 3: 50:49

And then, if I'm not gonna, you know, if I can't do this for a long time, what else can I do to serve the Lord? And then also make sure that you know, I see my kids, I spend time with Nicole, I can serve in church and do whatever it is that I have bandwidth, mental load and capacity to do whatever it is the Lord's calling us to do next. So it doesn't really. If, if we continue, if we can continue to have what I like to call time equity, that we can do other things in whatever it is the lord like wants us to do, then I guess that's an answer to my to the end goal. As soon as it shifts, the time scale switches to now. We're like a you know, a slave to our business and we don't. We can't contribute to people in church and we can't help people who need help, then then something needs to recalibrate.

Speaker 1: 51:44

Nicole, how about you? Any additional thoughts?

Speaker 2: 52:14

Yeah, I think the posture that we hope to have is one of worship, like looking at work as a form of worship and how it's like we just get to do all this stuff that you mean I'm.

Speaker 2: 52:18

I do not live there every day, I like move out of that posture and back into it, but it's like a practice that we, we know is the right way to be, because it's like we're not it's not even that there are goals to get to because it just feels like then we're.

Speaker 2: 52:29

It's like performing for something or to, to, to find our worth in that or um, and that's not where we find our identity and we just, yeah, it's like we just get to do this stuff. That's a lot of times really fun and, um, there's rest and peace there available for us. If we're doing it in that posture, the times that we start to like, oh, we got to grind this, or like I'm just going to really, like, you know, plug away at this thing that maybe I'm not even being asked to do in that moment, that's when we start to feel like we're striving and like really feeling tired or really feeling confused and lost, because it's like if our goal is just to be more like Jesus every day and to love others, you know as ourselves more than ourselves, like that's really all we need to focus on, and so the rest of it is just like part of the experience.

Speaker 1: 53:27

That's awesome. I love this. I'm going to ask you guys a question for you to ponder it, and answer it a little bit later before we close out. But what scripture or scriptures have been key to you guys during this amazing season of your life? Put it out there so you can think about it, ponder it. We're going to move back to a different question and then we'll come back to it. Give you some time to think of it. Put it up on your phone, whatever it is. But are you guys in PA Favorite PA food staple? That means that it's the best thing going in Pennsylvania. You got to have this when you're there, when we come and visit you.

Speaker 3: 53:56

this is what we're going to get first.

Speaker 1: 53:58

What do we need? What's your favorite food staple in PA Ice cream?

Speaker 2: 54:04

I posted about it today. Actually, the best ice cream is there's a lot of really good ice cream places. You kidding, I'm an ice cream places. Wait a minute, you kidding. Yeah, green person too. Very fresh, it's. There's a lot of good. Yeah, the thing to do.

Speaker 3: 54:21

Yeah, I will say that I mean we got a lot of farms and so there's like there's some, there's some places around here that'll use like fresh local milk and stuff too. And yeah, it's, it's interesting because our summer is what like three weeks and so it's, it's short, but it's, uh, it's, it's a good two months, but like um, but it no, I mean like true summer we, we got spring, summer and fall, you know. But like, yeah, true, summer is like you know, it's a change.

Speaker 2: 54:55

But anyway it's.

Speaker 3: 54:57

yeah, the ice cream is really good. I honestly didn't think about that, but I probably would have your favorite.

Speaker 1: 55:03

Wow, I'm very shocked. I didn't expect ice cream, but I'm here. I'm here for it. Okay, were you it? Okay, were you thinking something else? No, I was having a hard time thinking about the answer.

Speaker 3: 55:16

To be honest, it must be okay. I mean, pa is so big, right, pa is so big, so you've got geographical foods in different areas. So when we go to pittsburgh we like to try. There's like um, a lot of. There's a, especially in the strip district there's a larger population, so we will get homemade pierogies, kielbasa pierogies, stuff like that. That's good, yeah. And then we grew up in New Jersey, like we said, but we spent a lot of time in Philly and so obviously you know there's lots of Don't you say cheesesteak, but don't you say it which is the best one, don't you dare say it, deciding which one.

Speaker 1: 55:54

You don't have time for that kind of debate.

Speaker 3: 55:56

Is it Geno's? Is it Pat's?

Speaker 1: 55:57

What is?

Speaker 3: 55:57

it.

Speaker 1: 56:00

Not Geno's. Huh, Is it Pat's? Is it cheese or without?

Speaker 3: 56:07

Is it Beez, is it Provolone? That type of stuff.

Speaker 2: 56:11

A lot of factors.

Speaker 3: 56:12

A lot of factors, a lot of factors, yeah, but yeah, no I think that's. I think I'll just have the second year answer.

Speaker 2: 56:19

Yeah, ice cream yeah, it's a thing here Like there's lots of businesses that are only open during the summer months and you tour and you go around and go to different ice cream places and yeah, um, there'll be lines, no matter what time of the day it is I also have to say this too there, so many families that we've met here are so welcoming, like if you came and visited us and be like I can think of, like multiple families that would like have you over their house and have a home-cooked meal, and that's like some of the best eating that we do around here, like we love eating at our friends and family's house like that's.

Speaker 1: 56:55

That's always a really good, good way to eat around here too. That sounds awesome. Okay, how about favorite south carolina food staple? And please don't say shrimp and grits. Say anything else but that favorite south carolina food staple. What do you miss when you come down here? You're already in that place. As soon as your feet touch ground, you're in that place. Favorite food staple out here in South Carolina.

Speaker 2: 57:19

If you have one.

Speaker 1: 57:19

If you don't have one, that's fine too.

Speaker 2: 57:21

We have too many. That's one of the biggest ones.

Speaker 1: 57:25

No, we just want one. Come on, what's the one that comes to mind first? I got to have that. If nothing else happens, I'm going to have this.

Speaker 2: 57:34

I would have to agree with Nico with oysters. I miss oysters a lot.

Speaker 3: 57:38

Yeah, fresh seafood, just fresh seafood in general.

Speaker 2: 57:42

Yeah, really fresh seafood, we would steam oysters in our backyard all time or go out to local places that would steam them. You stand around with everybody shucking them. It's fun.

Speaker 1: 57:54

Nico is more cultured than I remember.

Speaker 3: 57:57

That kid loves sushi. That's his favorite food and we don't have any sushi in our town.

Speaker 1: 58:02

Here there's no sushi in PA at all.

Speaker 3: 58:04

No, just in our town. So we got to drive a good 30 minutes or so to go get it. But when we do, I mean that kid's got his own chapsticks he brings with him to the restaurant with a carrying case I love it. Wait, wait, wait sounds.

Speaker 1: 58:21

You said chapstick. I'm like that's not, that's not it's still strange, but it's better than the alternative. This man is going too far. You said chopsticks.

Speaker 3: 58:35

It's still strange but it's better than the alternative. It's on like a little lanyard like he puts it in and lets it go.

Speaker 2: 58:42

No, it's not chopsticks.

Speaker 1: 58:43

Alanis was like this is crazy.

Speaker 2: 58:50

She's been banned from chopsticks because she eats it all the time. She repeatedly asks to buy it.

Speaker 3: 58:54

I was going to say if you asked her the last question delicatessen in the area it would be any form of flavored chapstick.

Speaker 2: 59:03

She goes I promise I not eat it this time and I'm like I don't believe you, so wait another year or so.

Speaker 1: 59:07

It smells so good. You guys see the first one to do this. She ain't the first one. It's not original, it's been done before. Ask me how I know it smells so good. I get it, but Atlantis don't do that to yourself.

Speaker 3: 59:22

How's it Chapic? I love it.

Speaker 1: 59:25

Chapic oh, that's so cute. I love that. I love that. All right. So if you can give some advice to our listeners on how to juggle business and family life, what would you share with them if you had any advice?

Speaker 2: 59:57

a priority. There's more rest available to you than you often think there is and there's there's more benefit to it too, that to taking it rather than skipping it and like plowing through I love that all right.

Speaker 1: 1:00:06

Now it's time.

Speaker 3: 1:00:06

Okay, go ahead, man, I'm sorry no, I was just gonna say that's good. Yeah, because I I feel like we live in a culture where, like the hustle culture, you just got to grind, and you just got to grind a little harder, yes, even, but at the end of the day, um, like our bodies were not made to be seven days a week, 365. You know, if the god in the universe has to rest, then surely we do too all right.

Speaker 1: 1:00:47

Here's that last question the scripture or scriptures that have been key for you guys in the season that you're in, come on, bring it to me, bust it out. Don't get it wrong now, because I might know.

Speaker 2: 1:00:58

Oh boy, I was going to do mine. From memory, I hope I can remember now.

Speaker 2: 1:01:02

I think of Isaiah 30, 21, where it says you'll hear a voice behind you saying go to the left or to the right. This is the way. Walk in it, and I think that that has been really important to me over the past year of so often feeling like I don't know what I'm doing, but just realizing that's okay and that he's with me and that he's guiding me the whole time and that's again like I said earlier, that's all it's about that. I'm just walking with him.

Speaker 3: 1:01:29

That's good. I had a few. That's good, um, I had a few, but like the one I'm thinking of like right now is philippians 2 um 5, where it says to adopt the same attitude as that is in christ jesus who, existing in the form of god, did not consider equality with god as something to be exploited. Instead, he emptied himself by assuming the form of a servant, taking on the likeness of humanity, and when he had come as a man, he humbled himself to become obedient to the point of death, even to death on the cross, and for a couple of reasons. One, like Jesus, did not exploit that opportunity or that relationship. And I think, as entrepreneurs, especially one coming from a sales background like you're and from jersey you know you're thinking of, like all these different strategic partnerships, you can make and use this relationship or use that relationship and, like the one who had the most incredible relationship did not, you know, use that relationship to to forget about us and get himself out, but instead he was obedient. And so, yeah, especially like moving here and trying something new.

Speaker 3: 1:02:39

You know that was very much met with some resistance. I'll be honest on my part. You know I love Charleston, we both love Charleston. We missed it, but like we built this thing here and we should stay here and God's open doors here. But we felt that God was calling us here in the beginning. For what reason? We weren't really sure. But we can see now that when you are obedient, you take those steps of faith. And I'm remembering another verse too, that like he doesn't promise to like give you the clear direction in front of you, but he will light the path at your feet, and so, like knowing that right in front of us, we are just called to be obedient and take those steps that we can see right at our toes, potentially, that's it well, there's no question, you guys are inspirational couple.

Speaker 1: 1:03:28

We had a friend of mine drop that comment and I'm sure if you saw that, but she's been a big fan of our, of our podcast shows and she thinks you guys are inspirational. She's not lying. You guys most definitely are and we definitely miss you and hope to see you again very, very soon. I miss nico, uh, more than I thought. Uh, I miss him. I miss him doing all of me. That probably won't happen anymore and I can see you too, to drool now, but I miss all that stuff.

Speaker 3: 1:03:54

He is in a spitting phase right now.

Speaker 2: 1:03:55

Yeah, you might get your question.

Speaker 1: 1:03:58

Yeah, okay, I think I picked drooling over the spitting part, less intentional, but I miss you guys so much and can't wait to see you again soon.

Speaker 1: 1:04:08

We're going to have you. For all you guys that are listening to the show today, matt and Nicole are going to drop all of the information on the YouTube channel. In the comment section, under the episodes, you can get the links to the Raising Wonder podcast and to Redbird Realty and all the things that they're doing that might be of interest to you. But wherever you are and however you're listening to the Call Me, mr you the podcast, we thank you again for making us a part of your morning, your day and your week. We are weekly mirror check before you change the world. Thanks again for joining us. Thank you for welcoming matt and nicole gillette awesome couple. Hope you hear again from them soon and enjoy the show. Well, enjoy the music. That's the end of the show. Love you guys.

Speaker 2: 1:04:48

Bye.