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Drama in the NFL: Michael Thomas vs. Derek Carr, Rookie QB Challenges, 5-Pack Poll, and Playoff Predictions
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Boom. Welcome back to T3. We are in the house at the Thursday night thing. I'm your boy, mr U Herbs in the house, sheens in the house. Gentlemen, how are you guys doing tonight on this glorious evening?
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Speaker 1:So we had Kat come on. She's a big New Orleans Saints fan. I'm going to have you talk about that poll in a second, but not yet I want to do the second poll first. We had two poll questions that got a lot of votes and a lot of interesting answers. The second one was our trade deadline poll.
Speaker 1:Which team had the best trade deadline move. There was several of those, but I picked four out of the ones that we saw. So Darius Smith, who's been well-known to be with the Packers for a long time on the D-line. He was a big part of why Aaron Rodgers won games in his last couple of years there. Z Smith was one of the big reasons why he was tremendous on their defense.
Speaker 1:He went to the Detroit Lions, which is like they needed more help right. So he went over to Marshawn Lattimore. That's probably the biggest name coming from the Saints. You know the Saints are already packing it in for the season. There's not a whole lot of they're trimming fat wherever they can now. So he went to the Washington Commanders, which is a very powerful move. Most of the guys that the commanders are on one or two-year deals. We check their contract length out. So next year is going to look a lot different, but he'll be there perhaps a little bit longer than that, so he's going to be a part of their growth as a franchise.
Speaker 1:Mike Williams was formerly under Aaron Rodgers on the Jets. They traded him to Pittsburgh, which is probably good for George Pickens. I think the jury's out on how it's going to affect their offense, whether it's going to dramatically improve it or improve by a wee bit. I'm not really sure yet. It's hard to tell me. If you guys have insights on that, I don't know.
Speaker 1:And the last one was Cam Robinson, which I thought was a huge move. Going to Minnesota, darethal went out and everybody was afraid that Don was going to get killed and they found a guy like Karen Robinson out there waiting. This guy, he's not a bum, he's not a scrub. I mean Karen Robinson can play his position and to find him out there available, that's some real good fortune for the Minnesota Vikings. So we had the poll that went out and by a long mile, marshawn Lattimore to the commanders 51.5% of the vote, which is not surprising. Xavier Smith was behind him at 30.9, and then Cam Robinson and then lastly was Mike Williams all the way at the back of the line going to Pittsburgh. So any thoughts on that poll? Do you guys agree with those decisions that Lattimore was the biggest move? If you do, why or why not?
Speaker 3:I mean for me. I agree with Lattimore. That was my pick. I do like exactly what you said about Cam Robinson. I think he's going to be the one that may pay the most dividends for the team. But Washington had to do something. They made a decision. They've got a weak defensive backfield. That's probably the one weakness that showed for them for the last couple of weeks. I think having a lot more in there definitely helps. I think just the time and the level that he's played at will make them step up a little bit.
Speaker 3:But I agree with you. I think the Ken Robinson one is the biggest surprise to be able to find somebody like that. A surprise, um, to be able to find somebody like that again. The the big surprise for me during this trade deadline is nobody had to pay a lot to get some of this talent. You know, in years past some people have dropped some big deals. Everyone was going for fifth and sixth round picks this year. I mean of all the years where you thought you'd have some people that had to pay some high prices. You know I was surprised.
Speaker 1:Me too.
Speaker 2:It seemed like Lattimore went for the biggest prize and then Jonathan Mingo was second. Somehow.
Speaker 1:Yeah, what kind of deal was that?
Speaker 2:I'll answer your question first. But that one has to get some love in here because that's one of these. He went for more than any of the other wide receivers. That's already crazy, but it has to get some love in here because that's like one of these. He went for more than like any of the other wide receivers. So like that's already crazy but it has to be thrown out there.
Speaker 2:So no, I liked a lot of more move. I think it's. It's interesting because this is not a move that they were ever thinking at the beginning of the year and then all of a sudden their record is what it is and now they're like hey guys, we can win. So now they make it the Zedaria Smith. I love that move because I am rooting for Detroit a little bit and they had to replace Hutch, so you know that it was going to happen. So I see why Lattimore was the first one, but Detroit was going to get an edge rusher somewhere. We just didn't know what name, but someone was getting fired if they didn't get some money. So that's how that works. Cam, it was with Alabama, so of course I was watching that one, and Pittsburgh was linked to every wide receiver out there.
Speaker 2:You know going back to Brandon Ayuk, so them getting Mike Williams. It doesn't get as much love because it feels like they got whoever was left over. But I feel better for Mike Williams because he had to get away from the Jets. You know, once Aaron Rodgers buried him, that was it for him.
Speaker 1:So it had to happen. So you guys like the move. Okay, clearly you like it for Mike Williams, I do too. I think it's better. I think Russell Williams is going to give him a lot more opportunities. But as far as the whole team for Pittsburgh itself, do you feel like Mike Williams is good for Pittsburgh as a whole?
Speaker 2:I do, because they needed a number two. Pickens has really emerged as a number one, a really good deep threat and a contested ball catcher. They had to have somebody else. The offense has looked better since Russell Wilson had gotten there. So you know my little surprise at that. Does it look bad for Justin Fields? Yeah, there's a lot to unpack as far as that goes, but the offenses look better. They needed another weapon. So if Mike Williams was available and he's only coming in to be like if they were saying, hey, Mike Williams is coming to be our number one, I'm like I don't know about that, but coming in to be the number two, fine with that.
Speaker 1:So fine with that, so I'm okay. He's better than van jefferson. I think anybody can agree with that. All right, go ahead, shane, anything else on that?
Speaker 3:no, I think, exactly like herpes, that the other thing to think about with mike williams is I mean, when pittsburgh was I? I mean you can't even say when they were more competitive, because they, like with mike tomlin, they've been competitive the whole time. But this is what they do. They normally have that one big wide receiver. They're not normally great speed guy. They'll have one speed guy and then they'll have one. Then they normally load up on heights, on wide receiver.
Speaker 3:Mike williams fits that need um. You know he he's gonna fill those roles. They have a good tight end. Uh. They have a deep, decent offensive line. Um frazier for them out of west virginia has been a great draft pick um, so I think they're happy in that way. Uh, I was surprised that, like you said, though, for them to have been involved with every wide receiver that's been out there. If mike williams is what I get out of the deal, I'm not necessarily happy if I'm pittsburgh, but I think he will be a good fit for williams. Anything that gets me out of the jets um would have been a plus. And, like her said, as, basically, as soon as aaron rogers mentions you, that means the bus is coming to run you over, so you might as well get out while you can. Um, he's not going to get the ball to you again and he's definitely not going to take any chances a year away yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:You feel like Pittsburgh knew that Williams was always going to be available, so they kicked the tires on everyone else available and then just said, all right, this is because everyone has known Williams was out for weeks now. It just feels like they were okay. Here's what's left. Let's go get him. And Pittsburgh has a habit of making their number two wide receivers a lot of money. Not with him elsewhere. But everybody who's a number two seems to sign somewhere else and then severely disappoint. So I think he'll be fine there.
Speaker 1:Well, culture-wise, I think it would be good for Williams. As far as downfield blocking issue that they already had with Pickens, I don't know if Williams will solve that. He did some of that in Los Angeles, san Diego I forgot which one he was in, but I'll just say Los Angeles, for lack of a better word, but Los Angeles. He did some of that there, but more than Pickens did. But I don't know if he's going to do that so much in Pittsburgh. I hope he does because they really need it because Pickens wasn't doing it.
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Speaker 1:Our first poll question was the one that I'm like. Huh, okay, the question was about michael th. Comments about Derek Carr and Chris Olave. I didn't bring any quotes. If you guys have them, feel free to share them. I don't have any, but the gist of it is that Michael Thomas was no longer on the team now. He was talking about how Derek Carr's play was always an issue. His decision-making was getting people in trouble, specifically wide receivers getting hurt, and he said that Olave got hurt because of those said decisions, and he went into more detail. He used some language that we ain't going to use on this show just don't do that. But he kind of went into a lot more detail. But I asked the question on our Twitter poll was Thomas 100% correct in his assessments about Chris Alave and Derek Carr? Was he mostly correct or totally incorrect? Now, if you watch any Saints games, I feel like you should be able to say you know what I vote. He's 100% correct.
Speaker 1:I asked this beautiful young lady, kat Poole, one of our fans and friends of the show. She's a big Saints fan, diehard to our heart, and I asked her the same question and she was in total agreement. And I missed something. I misunderstood that she was in total agreement that Mike Thomas was right about everything that he said. I thought it was going to be a landslide. When I hit send, I said you know what? Nobody's going to vote for any of this other stuff. It's going to be 100% because they saw the game. They saw Derek Carr and what he was doing and not doing. They saw it.
Speaker 1:Here's the results of the poll 41.5% said 100% Mike Thomas is right. That's not the winning vote. 43.4% said Mike Thomas is kind of correct about most stuff, and. 15.1,. I don't know who you are, where you came from. If you're out there, please speak up. Tell me why you said Mike Thomas was totally wrong, because I don't understand how Totally wrong, like nothing he said was right. So let you guys chime in, and then I want to hear from Kat. Go ahead.
Speaker 2:So I've never watched Carr enough to really really look into this, but it's because you mentioned about quotes. So one of the first thing you look up with, you know, is keshaun johnson speaking for michael thomas, and he's basically saying michael thomas is bringing this up because car got thomas hurt as well. So it's like I don know it's too a big number if you're a wide receiver, yeah, but that's why they're saying that. And then you know the ball that got a lot of hurt was a terrible ball. So that kind of feels like where it comes from, but it definitely seemed personal. So it makes sense if Thomas is actually blaming Carr for something. I just disagree with handling it. You know, like if you hurt me with the ball, I'm going to go tell you I'm not going to take to Twitter forever, but that's a whole another subject.
Speaker 1:Is he on the team right now?
Speaker 2:I think he's in witness protection. I haven't heard from him.
Speaker 1:I'm just wondering if he's speaking like that and he's on the team. I didn't think he was. That makes more sense. Question.
Speaker 3:Yeah Well, I mean I agree with her that I don't know if that's the way that I would have attacked it, but Michael Thomas didn't back down. And then he not only did he talk about that, he's not the only one that got hurt, he also mentioned other people. He got hurt. Michael Thomas thomas said you know, you got your boy leading the league and receiving. You had to throw the ball to him 180 times for him to get 100 catches. You know. That's telling you how bad of a quarterback you are.
Speaker 3:I think if you ask dennis allen, uh, derrick carter is the only quarterback that's gotten down sound fired. So it doesn't matter what team dennis allen's on you, let derrick carter be only quarterback that's gotten Dennis Allen fired. So it doesn't matter what team Dennis Allen's on you, let Derek Carter be your quarterback. He's going to get you fired. He's proven that. Two teams two for two on that. Like Herb said, I don't know if this is the way that I attack it. There's definitely direct things that Michael Thomas has. There's probably more that he's not even mentioning. I don't think that Derek Carter was ever the real choice in new orleans and I don't think he's played that well and I think even at his best in the raiders, I think wide receivers would still tell you that he doesn't throw a great ball and he didn't put us in great position. Um, so I don't think any of it's wrong. I don't think any of it's wrong tell.
Speaker 1:I don't think any of it's wrong. Tell me the truth now, Be as honest as you possibly can. When that season started and they had those two games, was it two or three games where Carl was lighting it up?
Speaker 3:Tell me how you guys felt Ron Game was lighting it up.
Speaker 1:He was throwing two brother. Watch them games.
Speaker 3:He was stunning. I watched those games. I'm telling you. He lost a center, two guards and a tackle and he started throwing the ball all over the place he was accurate, though, and that's something we haven't been seeing.
Speaker 1:How do you guys feel about that? When you saw it, do you feel like, ah, this is just fool's gold, or do you think something was cooking out here? Your honest thoughts definitely more fool's gold, or do you think something was cooking?
Speaker 2:out here your honest thoughts, definitely more fool's gold. You just don't ever see. Like car is your long-term guy, you know? And and to that point also it's kind of like goes back to originally what I said how many times do you heard about, you know, like if you go five games in a row throwing great balls right, and then one game you, you get a wide receiver knocked out. We're probably going to remember that one. You know what I mean. It just that number just seems more significant there.
Speaker 2:So it's not like you know, and, but you just don't. I guess you just don't see it from a lot of your best quarterbacks either. You know what I mean, so that's, that's going to be another knock on him I think.
Speaker 1:I think I understand what you're saying. Go ahead, Shane.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean, carr's never been a favorite of mine, hasn't really depended on what team he's played on. I think he has talent and you can get him to throw the short passing game and that's okay. But he's proven, when it comes down to him he's going to lose games for you. You know whether it's with New Orleans, orleans, where it's a lot of smoke and magic, and you have a great run game that starts off for you and you let him throw a lot of short passes and try to get people around, that's fine. You know your job as a quarterback is to win the game. They don't care. You know how you do it all the time. But you know there's not a lot of people that are backing Carr up. That's another great indicator in my mind. You know that's a good point.
Speaker 3:And Devontae Adams, you know, played with him at Fresno State and he definitely said, hey, let's go play with Rodgers over, go play with Carr. You know he made that move in vegas and car was already out, like I, I don't think car has ever been the one and I also don't I don't know many saints fans that ever thought that he was. I think herb makes a great point. I mean, I mean derrick car, after his first couple years, became one of those guys where you're like, hey, that'd be a great guy to have as my number two. Like, have him come in. He's gonna know the offense, he's gonna keep himself out of trouble, we're gonna be okay. But I think the teams that he's been on they've constantly been looking for the next quarterback yeah, I think it kind of goes to your other question.
Speaker 2:you're gonna ask, mr you, you just don't have a whole lot of like, true, hey, hey, this is my number one quarterback guy. You have a lot of quarterbacks in the league right now that you're like. I mean, if everything else goes right, this guy can win, but if one of those other things is failing, they're not the guy to prop you up, you know, and like car, yeah, if he has a great running game and a great defense, like you know, into the quarterback, like yeah, can he go out and give you some insurance? Running game and a great defense, like you know, into the quarterback, like yeah, can he go out and give you some wins, sure, but is he the guy that I'm like is going to be my, you know, superstar, carry a terrible team? Like no, I don't think that. I don't think many people do.
Speaker 1:Yeah, let's play a little fun game, cat. I want to hear from you, cat, on what you think the Saints should be doing from here. I don't think. I think Herb and Shane are hitting it. Nobody ever thought that Carr was going to be a long-term solution by long-term if they thought four years, I'd be surprised. I was thinking more like a couple while they figured some stuff out. But I want to play a little game here while Cat is thinking about that answer. Okay, so I'm going to give you a quarterback and then, carr, you tell me which one you rather have. Right, we've done it before.
Speaker 2:it's always fun, all right, malik willis, derrick, car wow malik willis her yeah, because he's younger, I mean I can at least maybe develop him.
Speaker 3:I feel like car is who he is yeah, that, and he came in and, exactly like we said, he's the number two and he filled in in Green Bay and kept that team alive.
Speaker 1:Thank you for the confidence right.
Speaker 2:Well, I don't. I mean, I don't think Willis is the number one, but I would definitely keep him around. And if I was going to keep one of those two, I'm keeping Willis around.
Speaker 1:And I'll be just positive.
Speaker 2:No, but Willis is probably not going to get anybody killed because he doesn't throw well enough stuff.
Speaker 1:We're not going to have to worry about that, wow Okay. Jacoby Bissett, derek Carr.
Speaker 2:Yeesh, neither I'll take one of you two. We'll run the Wildcat.
Speaker 3:Yeah, exactly Extra running back.
Speaker 1:So, shane, you picking nobody too.
Speaker 3:I'm definitely not taking Jacoby Brissett. I've proven that time and time again. What does that mean?
Speaker 2:Okay, if I had one game and I needed to win the game right I would take Carr over Brissett, because I feel like there's at least more upside with him than Brissette. I think Brissette would play to not lose you the game, but Carr might actually try to go out and win it. Fair, I like that.
Speaker 1:Now we're thinking baby, I like this, okay, yeah.
Speaker 2:I thought that's where we were going, because they should definitely be starting over, but that's a whole other.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think they're getting close to when Lattimore left.
Speaker 2:But then they just gave AK a big extension, so that was kind of weird. I'm sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 1:And don't forget it was not more than a matter of months ago that the Saints had an elite defense, and now they're giving people away. That's kind of killing. Derek Carr, marcus Mariota.
Speaker 2:Derek killing, derek Carr Marcus, mariota Derek. Carr, but so let's say this If you were saying I could get them both cheap, then I'll take Derek Carr, but if you're like you got to pay Derek Carr $20 million or Marcus Mariota $5 million, I'm taking Marcus Mariota for here. I'll just figure it out.
Speaker 1:Yeah, shane, you got one.
Speaker 3:I go with Marcus.
Speaker 2:I feel like if my team's decision was coming down to that, we weren't winning the Super Bowl anyway. Yeah, if the exec comes in and says, hey, we're going to get Derek Carr or Marcus Mariota, I was like, so we're in the middle of a rebuild. Like, what are we doing?
Speaker 1:All right, we'll keep going. Mack Jones, derek Carr, bam, I'm talking, that's all that is damn, I'm talking baby shane I, I agree, uh, I mean I.
Speaker 3:I think mac jones got the short end of a stick of a terrible offensive unit in new england. Um, I'm not saying he's a savior or anything right, but um, when he had at least some offensive weapons he looked okay. And then then you get rid of everybody and you don't have an offensive coordinator for two years. That makes it tough yeah you know what my?
Speaker 2:thoughts about mac jones. We saw this at alabama. He is great if you've got a great structure around him, like if you draw up a play and you've got good playmakers, he knows where the ball is supposed to go. So he won't thrive in every, every environment. But yeah, new england had just basically like Bill Belichick was just trying to prove something to people Like who hires two defensive coordinators as an offensive coordinator with a rookie coordinator? None of that made sense.
Speaker 1:I don't know myself. Just a handful more Gardner, minshew, derek, carr.
Speaker 2:Derek Carr. I've seen too much of him, it's true.
Speaker 1:Oh man, like this next one I got in front of me. It created so many questions. I'm like why don't you say just I can't understand some of your movements.
Speaker 2:I want to explain what I said last week about Minshew. Like I always knew he was bad, right, and I said that at the beginning. I said he's that guy who will go out, win you a game or two early in the season and then just be bad the rest of the year like that's Minshew. But I watched the game and this guy is like turning the ball over, like he's being paid to do it. You know it's like hey, do we want an interception or a fumble here? Maybe both. Maybe I'll drop it. Pick it up and throw it, like he's just, like he just't care. He spends more time on his mustache than he does on the game. That's what I feel.
Speaker 1:Fair Sheeran, you got a point on that one. We're going to move on.
Speaker 3:No, I agree with Herb on this.
Speaker 3:I think Las Vegas has tried this out, and I think, your record with Derek Carr was better than your record with Gardner Mischuk. So I think we have some actual uh evidence on this one uh. The other thing is, like I've heard mentioned before, I think Derek Carr can still win you a game that, like, I'm not saying that he's not an NFL quarterback, but he's not the quarterback I build around you know. So, like, if you have to pick him, do I think that, yes, you'd be in a better spot than Gardner-Mitchell? There's no chance he's a better selection in this.
Speaker 1:Kenny Pickett, derek Carr.
Speaker 3:Derek.
Speaker 2:Carr.
Speaker 3:That's a tough one.
Speaker 1:You guys think that Kenny Pickett is done, he has no redeemable value. That's what you're saying.
Speaker 2:I forgot where he went. Did he go to Philadelphia?
Speaker 3:Yeah, he's a backup in Philly.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I don't know where he's going to ever play, but he's a backup, yeah, okay.
Speaker 2:I'll give you a perfect like. If Derek Carr was at Pittsburgh, he could probably make that work. Good defense, decent running backs. We're not going to ask you to do anything spectacular. We're okay punting the ball. That's a Derek Carr team.
Speaker 3:Yeah, he's. I mean like, the way I like to think of it is he's a thermometer quarterback, like if your team's hot he's going to keep that temperature. The same thing, he's not a thermostat. He's not a thermostat. He's not like any of these quarterbacks that's going to drive your talent. Derek Carr can play well in a system that's built around him with a lot of talent around. Once that talent starts to drop, he's not going to be able to do anything plus for you. He doesn't have like Lamar Jackson all these years in Baltimore, no weapons around. Him. Still wins games. Brock Purdy, every wide receiver that's been out no running game still looks okay in San Francisco.
Speaker 1:You know Cat Poole right there, Tyson Hill is Ben the better quarterback in the world for the last three years. I don't like him consistently playing in that position. That's the thing. When he does that, we see a lot of stuff get exposed. I don't know what that's about, maybe because he plays different positions. When he plays quarterback consistently, like you're the guy at quarterback all the time, it doesn't look pretty.
Speaker 2:No. I think he's more of a gimmick quarterback for sure.
Speaker 3:I agree too, but they're out of gimmicks, Like if you pay Spencer Riddler, you have him, you have.
Speaker 1:There's no Riddler. There's no Riddler.
Speaker 3:Well, I'm combining two quarterbacks that are both, he's just combining two quarter yeah. I thought you were talking about, like the cousin of the Joker or something.
Speaker 1:Exactly what kind of hybrid is this?
Speaker 3:but yeah, the worst possible yeah, exactly, deon and spencer rattler, both quarterback. Like the thing is, you're gonna have a ton. Right now derrick carr turns the ball over. So what's your biggest complaint about Tyson Hill? That he's going to turn the ball over? So if we're paying a real quarterback value for Derek Carr and he's going to give you 30 turnovers and Tyson Hill you pay at like a tight end value and he gets you 25 turnovers, what have we lost by playing him?
Speaker 1:You know.
Speaker 3:That's where Derek Carr runs into the problem. Just like Herb said in the very beginning, if I'm not paying Derek Carr the money that I have to pay him, then yeah, $5 million. Yeah, okay, we can play some ball with him, but you're paying him as the number one quarterback and he hasn't been a number one quarterback in a long time.
Speaker 1:Fair. Let's jump into this quick conversation. I mean quick, maybe 10 at the very worst. The comments that brady made tom brady, hall of fame, who's now, uh, an announcer now doing a fairly decent job at it, by the way uh, he made a comment about rookie quarterbacks and how the game seems to be dumbed down for them and it's kind of uh, hurting the game and hurting their development as quarterbacks. Now it's going to be hard to dispute much of what he said just because of his, uh, his pedigree and what he's done at the position. All that he's seen, the, the numbers and the records that he has are still unbroken. So we're giving, uh, the benefit of the doubt with a lot of that stuff. But he's saying that the game's been dumbed down.
Speaker 1:Coaches in the NFL are not challenging the young quarterbacks. They're kind of taking them for where they are and kind of just working with what they got rather than coaching them and developing them and training them. What are your thoughts on that? Because we talked about it before, about a rookie quarterback coming out of college and whether they should sit under a veteran quarterback for a while, however long that is, or thrust them right into the action and they learn better that way. You got coaches like the Titans' Brian Callahan, who's an ardent believer that they should come out of college and get thrown right into the fire. He thinks it's better for them. They're learning development that way. And you got other coaches who make like a Matt LaFleur or a Harbaugh, that kind of feel a little different about that. They want them to kind of have that grooming and let them see all they need to see in that time, and Tom Brady credits that for a big part of his development. What do you guys feel about that?
Speaker 2:just generally speaking, as well as Brady's comments. Brady, when Brady came out, he didn't start right away either, right, I mean he was stuck behind. It is an interesting thing. I think there's like a lot of elements at play. So when you talk about the coaches developing the quarterbacks, the coach the lifespan of a coach now is getting shorter and shorter. So when they get the guy, they've got two choices.
Speaker 2:All right, I could try and train y'all this. We'll probably lose a lot of games, but maybe you'll get valuable experience. Or I could dumb this down Maybe we'll all look good and maybe I'll get to stick around a couple more years, and I think that kind of goes into it. Plus, I don't think college is helping. I think college coaches are kind of getting the same way. We just need to win now. So whatever I have to do to utilize your skill set right now is fine, and then the pro game is way different and a lot of them aren't keeping up. So I think it's like a collective effort where everybody is like let me look out for myself right now versus let me actually train this guy long. But I just don't think there's a lot of training going on in the NFL at all.
Speaker 1:And Kat said that. Before you get your comment in Shane, kat said when you're paying that much for a rookie, do you want to see your money sitting on the bench? Is it their fault? The price has gone up so much. I get that there's pressure, especially with teams that feel as though they have to get something done in a timely manner, but you just never know how it's going to turn out.
Speaker 1:The Jaden Daniels situation is kind of an anomaly. I mean, he came in. He has somebody in the room which I guess in this case was Mariota, who was considered a veteran. It kind of helped create an environment for him to kind of grow at the position, but he's still starting though and he's thriving at the position. But he's still starting though, and he's thriving at the position. You got people who, like EJ Manuel, who didn't have the opportunity to do that with Buffalo he had Kevin Cole with them guys that wasn't really giving him the kind of leadership that he needed and he came out there, hurt his leg and they tried to give him a break and sit him down and they didn't have nobody else that could play at his level. So they put him back in. He hurt his other leg, so he was already screwed from the rip. So it's like there's so many different examples of this. It's like what do you do with that? So, shane, go ahead and drop your comments in there, brother, and we'll keep on moving. Man, what do you think?
Speaker 3:well, I think Herb mentioned it. I mean, the coaching cycle is such a such a quick turnaround. Yeah, you know how can you wait? Other problem is and I think people talk about this way too much is the NFL has always been terrible at developing quarterbacks. Like that it's a proven fact Like if they were better, then these first-round draft picks would show up better than they do. And they don't. But the problem is is that we're not developing quarterbacks at all sorts of levels, like Her her mentioned.
Speaker 3:You watch college football these days and there's a lot of quarterbacks that don't have to make the decisions for themselves, they don't have to do anything. And then they get to the NFL and they showed great athletic talent and maybe some decent numbers, but they can't explain everything, they can't go through the checks, they can't go through what they need to, and then you give a team to them and expect them to be the ones that are going to lead it and they don't even know what's going on and they don't develop quarterbacks in the NFL. We mentioned Tom Brady. The thing is, drew Bledsoe had that team winning games. If Mo Lewis doesn't absolutely destroy him to where he almost ends up dead, brady doesn't absolutely destroy him to where he almost ends up dead.
Speaker 3:Brady doesn't get to play and Brady didn't blow the doors off when he started and this is from a Patriots fan and my fandom started with Drew Bledsoe so like that's a quarterback that was developed. You know he had to be ready and Brady wasn't ready in the very beginning and he wisely says you know, I'm not ready, ready. But you talk to even the coaches that get a lot of credit for developing quarterbacks, like somebody like bruce arians, and he even says the same thing like you have to be talented, I I can't. No matter how much better I can make you, you're still not going to be great. You know he talks about jameson winston when Winston when he had 30 interceptions but threw for 5,000 yards.
Speaker 3:That one year he's like yeah. And then we finally got him LASIK surgery, like who knew he couldn't see the entire time. I mean, how much developing are you doing if you don't know that your quarterback can barely see?
Speaker 2:you know.
Speaker 3:The other thing is you just see it in games. There's less and less football knowledge, I think, going around a lot. You know you don't see some of these plays all the time. Now, part of that is because guys are playing young. But the other thing is you're putting an awful lot of time in the NFL Like they're not taking the time to try to build you completely up as a quarterback, and I think we've gone to more and more athletic quarterbacks where we think, like your feet are going to be the answer, but that doesn't always mean that you have all the other skills that are behind it, right?
Speaker 2:and that's the problem when you're in high school and you're an athletic quarterback, you can outrun everybody.
Speaker 2:And then when you're in college, you can outrun, you know, most of the people, half people and all of a sudden you get to the NFL and the third-string linebacker is chasing you down and they're like all right, what do we have to fall back on?
Speaker 2:And I think the other thing is you get these guys who are in college, who are playing with superior talent, they look really good, they get drafted on the worst team who has nothing, and then you see a lot of these situations fail. And then the worst team who has nothing, and then you see a lot of these situations fell. And then again it's a coach who knows this team has nothing. And they're thinking man, I only have like two to three years before I get fired. Let me just throw my guy out there and hope for the best. And then, if your team is like, if there's a disconnect between your coach and your gm, your gm's over there building up the defense to make a run, meanwhile they've handed you a rookie quarterback and they've told you to go ahead and play him the first year. It just seems like there's very few like CJ Stroud-like situations. You know what I mean when they decided to try and build up both sides and get going, and there's way more of the other kind of situations.
Speaker 1:It's really concerning about guys like Shador Sanders and Cam Ward that are going to come out, that are all mobile, make plays with their feet If they don't get developed. I'm just wondering, because everybody can't be a Jaden Daniels. Those things are really anomaly. Greg May was really high in the draft. People thought he was going to be going in the top three in the draft anyways and he had to sit behind somebody and it's done him relatively good, I think. If he came in and didn't uh, sit behind brissette for a little bit, I think it had been a disaster and we talked about him in the same light that we were mac jones. So I'm like I don't know what the future for sanders and ward and guys like that would have looked like without having some kind of grooming. But it's an ongoing conversation. I don't know how much time we have to keep on staying in, so go ahead real quick with the comment, then we get into a a quick uh well, a couple of key things you hit on there, you so, like you, you talk about.
Speaker 3:You talk about ward. His high school ran a wing t. He had never really thrown the ball until he got to college, went to an fcs school, threw the ball all over the and then has gone past happy since then. So it's a guy that had to develop those skills. The other thing is you and Herbert both mentioned we've talked about Mac Jones before. You know Mac Jones was throwing to four top 10 wide receivers at Alabama. He got to the Patriots and he didn't have anyone that would have receivers at Alabama. He got to the Patriots and he didn't have anyone that would have started at Alabama. You know you can't discount the lack of talent when you go up. The other thing that I wanted to hit on quickly before we wrap it up is I don't think people give Jane Daniels the amount of credit for the extra work that he's put in by himself.
Speaker 1:I mean, he's done a lot of like he's put in by himself.
Speaker 3:I mean yeah Well. I mean he he's done a lot of like. He's one of the quarterbacks that jumped on the VR.
Speaker 1:He spends a ton of time doing that.
Speaker 3:So he's getting reps, even not physically, but he's. He's got a chance to see an awful lot of different defenses that even he wasn't seeing when he was at LSU. I think a lot of credit goes for his. He needs to get more credit for what he does with his brain than what he's doing just with his talents, and I don't think a lot of people have given him credit for that.
Speaker 1:They sure he's a smart guy. Rod said Doreen and Cam are actually decent pocket passers. Miro will need some grooming. What Rod is telling me is that the Giants shouldn't be drafting.
Speaker 2:That's what he's telling me, and I heard you, roger. Well, to that point real quick. If I'm the Giants and you end up like four to five somewhere in there, I don't trade up for a passer and I don't like.
Speaker 1:if it's not Shadur or Cam, then I just don't get one in the first round, like at all I think Correct, that's how little faith I have in, like everyone else, and you know, shannur and Cam both come with their own.
Speaker 2:you know question marks as well, so I just think this is probably one of your weaker quarterback drafts.
Speaker 1:I don't know whether this is the answer or not. And I mean, look at somebody who I just mentioned, paul O'Faylor. He was seventh, he went in the seventh round. So it's like I don't know who's going to be the one. None of us know, we just predicting. So a lot of giants fans, especially on my twitter, are talking about ward and sanders, but you don't see me typing that. You know why? Because I don't know that. Right, I don't know. Do we need a quarterback? I don't know who it's going to be. I know free agency is probably dead to us, but I don't know that those two guys are going to be it. They want them because they think it's going to be a sure thing, but I don't know.
Speaker 1:I just don't think there is that can be coached, that can have a high football IQ Very important in my book, a high football IQ, that's what we need. Let's keep it moving. As far as last week, real rapid fire. Give me one highlight from last week that kind of stuck out, blew your mind, shocked you. One one highlight with some quick commentary on it. Then we go into our predictions and then we hit our uh five pack poll for the night. So just one thing that you guys saw that was uh mind-blowing to you. Look at that I meanwise.
Speaker 3:I think there's only one highlight, and that's Saquon Barkley. And I mean, when you watch the NFL week in and week out and you see something you've never seen before, that's when you know there's some people that are just built for this.
Speaker 1:Beautiful. I wasn't going to go ahead, but since you brought him up, let me ask you a question honestly do you feel like this is the same guy that was playing for the giants, or is this something that where he's, or he's doing something almost almost?
Speaker 2:I don't even know why you're following that like that. Why can't you just appreciate that play? That was just an amazing I don't know, you don't you don't at. You just stomped all over his thing and went into some hate about the thing you absolutely did. You absolutely did.
Speaker 1:No man, I didn't do that. What I'm asking is just because his whole picture. Everything I'm hearing now is that this guy is just a world beater and he was on our team but he didn't do any good bit of that, that stuff we had a lot of problems with as a matter of fact. But now he's not only healthy but he's doing things that are like amazing. Am I asking? I'm asking my question is that is he doing this? It's the people point, or this is who the guy was the whole time? Because we've never even seen some of this stuff.
Speaker 1:We've seen some things, but never anything. On this level, I'm trying out what talk to me from you guys football knowledge what's different beside the team and one being bad and the other one being he's coming out of a Super Bowl what's different that? You see, I don't this is amazing to me.
Speaker 3:I think there's definitely a level of spite. I think Saquon Barkley wants to put it to the Giants. There's no doubt about that.
Speaker 1:But I also think he's playing against the light years.
Speaker 3:better offensive line, I think, better play calling.
Speaker 1:I think the O-line is full-sourced.
Speaker 3:Hey, I mean, there's no doubt that he has a better offensive line in front of him. It lets him be able to do what he needs to do. I think they get him the ball in different ways, in which the Giants didn't always do that, but I think he's a guy that likes having a chip on his shoulder and I think the giants not thinking that he was up to his worth and you getting to stay in your conference and punish them on the opportunities you get.
Speaker 1:I think he feeds off that okay, that's true, I've been the japanese.
Speaker 2:I also don't think the Giants should have kept him, though Like I don't think he fits.
Speaker 1:It's so much money, man.
Speaker 2:Yeah, paying for running back at this point, it's funny to me that like there's so much surrounding Saquon Barkley leaving the Giants and nothing around Derrick Henry leaving the Titans. But, like both teams made the right decision, both guys needed to go some rows and they couldn't afford to pay for running back. Given the state of the teams, I thought it was good for both of you about the titans, did you?
Speaker 1:yeah, but I think they're the exact same situation.
Speaker 2:Both guys are tearing it up on their new teams, rightfully so. Both of their new teams are better, better built to maximize their skills, and I I don't see like that. The teams that they left made bad decisions.
Speaker 1:And they may have their quarterback in the future. We definitely don't. So this is we had to do something, so I don't.
Speaker 2:I don't fault the Giants at all for letting them go. Like it sucks to go to a division rival. I get that, yes, but they couldn't outbid anybody for it. That wouldn't make sense on this team.
Speaker 3:No, I agree with you. I would have tried to get rid of him before. I would have traded him when it was in our power.
Speaker 2:I said that about Derrick Henry and I love Derrick Henry, but they should have got something for him.
Speaker 1:They wanted for him. I don't know what they thought, but I don't know what happened. That was a long one. You guys froze I don't know if you're some screen just froze there for a second but Ben saying totally agree, I'm not trading up for anybody but Shador or Cam right now either. If you're saying trade up for Shador or Cam, I don't feel good about that, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2:I wouldn't trade up for either one of those two either, especially if I'm sitting at like five or six and they want to haul.
Speaker 1:No, I'm not. I'm not trying to do that, and I know you're happy about that. The news of the week for Buckley's reverse hurdle was insane. That man was joy tested right after that happened, which is funny. How do you do that? I'm sure you passed. Regina said mental health brings a great player out. I totally agree with that too. He's maybe the weakest QB class in a while. Yeah, it is. I'm hoping that there's somebody back there, maybe somebody that you guys are not talking about every week. That's out there for us because we got to do something. We can't do. Juul out for another couple of years. We don't, it's not. We can't wait for Peyton, little Brother, to come out. We don't have the time to do that. We have to do something ASAP.
Speaker 2:So I don't know what the answer is for us, but you might have to wait for that. You can't reach for a quarterback in this next draft.
Speaker 1:I don't know, I'm not suggesting reach, but is there anybody else that is?
Speaker 2:possible Ewers and Quinn Ewers, if you believe in him, with his injury history, or Carson Beck before he decided to throw two interceptions a game. It's like those are your next two. That's it. I mean Rod mentioned, you know, but neither one of us would like Milrow's like a third or fourth rounder at this point. Yeah, so I mean.
Speaker 3:I would wait and take somebody like Rourke at Indiana. I think people don't respect how good of a thrower he has been. Both he and his brother at Ohio tore it up. His brother tears it up in the CFL and has gotten some shots on some teams during the preseason in the NFL. But Rourke at Indiana would be the quarterback. I'd pick him in the fourth round and give give him some run. I think he's a quarterback that's going to get the ball out. He plays an interesting style offense so he plays with some pro style um, but yeah, I I'm not reaching for anybody in a quarterback class this year what shane is saying is if the giants want to compete in the cfl, they should draft rourke.
Speaker 2:Otherwise you're saying something like that.
Speaker 1:I'm like what. You're talking about giving him some run. What do you mean giving him some run? You're talking about him starting.
Speaker 3:Over Drew Locke. Daniel Tone, your quarterback is terrible. Do you have an NFL quarterback on the Giants right now?
Speaker 1:Drew Locke is an NFL quarterback. I just don't like him.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I honestly saw a universe where they start Drew Locke for a year Hopefully he's bad and you pass off for one more year to get to the high drop it. I could see that happening. Unfortunately, dable gets fired at the end of this year. You get off of DJ and you just let Locke carry the team for a year, hopefully he's just bad in the year after you draft a quarterback.
Speaker 1:These fans will burn this.
Speaker 2:I'm not saying, look, if I was a Giants fan I would absolutely hate it, but from the outside view I could see this happening for sure.
Speaker 1:Oh, it's been six years. No, sir, it's been like 11 years. It's been 11 years. I'm counting. I know 2022 is an anomaly. This has been going on for 11 years. This can't go on another year. I don't think we can survive it. I get it.
Speaker 1:John Mayer had to add extra security to his team. There's no way in the world. But any other highlights from last week that just jumped out? I want to give a quick shout out to the Chargers. Man Herbert, nobody talks about him. He's on a hot street. The man is on fire. He lit the Browns up. Now the Browns defense, as bad as they've been playing in other areas, their defense has still been relatively good. Herbert lit them boys up. They pressured him, I think 52% of the time, and he lit them up for 106 in the score. When there was no pressure, he was 11 of 16, 176 yards in the score. He was going off on him, and then Dobbins had two touchdowns that he ran and they lit him up. So watch out for the charges that them boys might be coming. But, shane, anything that you saw was a highlight beside what we talked about already. If not, we'll move on to our predictions for this week.
Speaker 3:I think the two you mentioned are pretty forward in my mind. Can I give a shout-out?
Speaker 2:to the Bills-Dolphins game then Because that was a fun one. That was a really good one.
Speaker 1:Ben Parker said it's a great year to draft a quarterback outside the first round. Even though I like Shador and Cam, no, we couldn't tell they don't look as impressive as the top quarterbacks from the past couple of years. They don't.
Speaker 2:Shador comes with the Sanders baggage, and Cam Ward, like once a game, throws the most inexplicable interception, you know, going out of bounds on the right, throwing back into the middle of the field, you know. And then he's got several other highlights, but I agree with him. I would do my homework on other guys, just like with shane mentioned. Yeah, you know, find yourself a gym and have to be locked and say you're in a perfect position. All right, drew lock's gonna start and we're gonna I don't know, I don't even know that much I don't know.
Speaker 3:I mean it's. It's either that, or you call Atlanta and go hey, has our year's plan changed? Now that you're doing okay, you know, do you try for Michael Panics now? Do you make a move for Bryce Young? Do you go after some of these younger guys that maybe teams have given up on and maybe you have a shot at? I don't think Atlanta thought that it was going to go as well as it's going right now. I thought they'd be able to get some wins out of it.
Speaker 3:But maybe I ring the bell and find out what they need to get Penix off of their books.
Speaker 1:Penix is not going. You know good and well. They didn't go up to eight last year to get rid of him and trade him somewhere.
Speaker 3:Cousins will go before he goes, I'd make a call. I'd make a call.
Speaker 1:You know better. That's not going to happen. I don't think the Giants are going to try. What do you guys think about?
Speaker 2:Neusmeier oh, I forgot about him. I don't like him Enough to where I forgot about him. Oh well, next topic how about this? I will tell you more next week about him, because we're about to get an up-close-and-personal look at him.
Speaker 1:All right. So I talked about Drew Allen on this show many times, but I'm not seeing it. He got the size and he got the arm and I'm sure coaches will like him, but oh man, what I've seen I just don't. Do you guys like him, even in the context of our team and what we would need as a total typical quarterback? Do you like him? Sorry, man, I'm glad I'm not insane by even thinking about it. All right, so predictions for next week. You know how we do it. How did we do last week? I think I did pretty good last week. I keep tracking the numbers. I keep tracking how we're doing. I don't want that job. It's too much work.
Speaker 2:I nominate Shane.
Speaker 1:Shane said he'll do it. If you're down with Shane, by all means, the job is yours. With me I can start. If we need that, ok, please do. So. We can kind of just have a number for how we're doing. So we can just, you know, either feel good about ourselves or see how we can change.
Speaker 2:I feel bad enough about myself on a daily basis.
Speaker 1:It could be encouraging to you. Who knows? All right, so the Giants are going to Munich to play the Panthers. Now everybody's saying we should be losing this game, we should be continuing the tanking.
Speaker 3:Yes, you should.
Speaker 1:No, am I Giants? Then go out here and stop mordor-holding the Panthers. But I'm going to go ahead Because I don't trust them. I'm going to pick the Panthers, believe it or not. I'm like, yeah, I got to trust the shoes, hashtag, trust the year right now.
Speaker 2:So I'm picking the Panthers, how you guys going Giants Panthers in Munich 9.30 on Sunday morning. I'll go Panthers.
Speaker 3:I'm going Giants, but they should lose. They should lose, yeah.
Speaker 2:I had to pull up my pick on me. I took the Panthers. Oh, you did Okay.
Speaker 1:Perfect to see his college picks every week. He's got enough, I have to see.
Speaker 2:Ho's college picks. I know some Ho's that he has to do his college picks.
Speaker 1:Oh boy, I'm going to go ahead and step up. I don't know, I got people, we got a little kid there.
Speaker 2:Mike, shame on you, Mike.
Speaker 1:Can you see me at church? What did he mean by Ho, mr Yous't even see me at church. What did he mean by a hose, mr Houston, I don't want that in my life, okay, thanks, mike Bad Mike Pass at Bears. Bears at home. I go Bears Just because I don't know any better. I go Bears, of course that's just cool. But they don't know any better, I go Bears, of course that's just cool.
Speaker 2:But they don't even want to win Like. This is a game that the Pats should not be trying to win.
Speaker 3:And what have I just done? I picked the Giants who should want to lose and the Patriots who should want to lose.
Speaker 2:Oh Wow.
Speaker 1:This is getting super personal.
Speaker 2:It's interesting that Mike started off trying to make fun of me and now he wants sympathy. How's that working out for you, mike?
Speaker 1:what I didn't see was an asterisk with the correction.
Speaker 2:Now we make a mistake that's because there was no mistake.
Speaker 1:I don't see any comments. So think about that pal. All right, all right. Bills at Colts. I'm going Bills here. The Bills probably going to start my mud hole in them whether Flacco's playing or not. So I'm going Bills here. You guys feel the same way. Bills across the board.
Speaker 1:Easily. Vikes at Jaguars, come, come on. Yeah, donald's gonna throw a touch up interception, but they're still gonna beat the brakes on the jaguars. Agreed, agreed. Copy that. Broncos at sheeps. I'm appalled because it's not. This is one of those games that it could be the one, but I'm going cheap.
Speaker 2:Sit on, yeah, but I don't like oh you reminded me of what my biggest takeaway if you're're on the road playing the champ, you go for two Like I don't even understand these terrible decisions. That's what I was wanting to say. Sorry, I know it's the wrong time, but that was my biggest takeaway. I don't see how you even decide like. I could do a whole hour on how bad a decision that was, but that was terrible.
Speaker 1:I don't even know myself. The Chiefs man, this is the poker. Are the Chiefs for real, these games that we've seen? I don't see it Undefeated. It looks like they try sometimes.
Speaker 2:Well, you see how teams are just scared into making terrible decisions. Hey, we're a good running team. Let's not run the ball. Hey, we've just scored. There's under a minute left. Let's not go to two. Let's take Patrick Mahomes to overtime. Okay, great idea guys.
Speaker 1:I know I made my girlfriend Regina mad, but I'm sorry, regina. They don't look good. They're undefeated but they don't look good. I don't get it. Okay, I'm going cheese against the Broncos. I don't expect a big scoring differential between them. I think it's going to be a lot closer. Especially if Nick gets the ball out of his hands quickly, I think they'll have a closer game than what we might think.
Speaker 1:Falcons at Saints they don't have a lot of ball. Just in case you were wondering, he's not on their team anymore. I'm going to Falcons here. Shane same here. All right. Niners at Buccaneers this is a tight one. I don't know the answer to this. I just saw something on my notifications pop up that it said something. I didn't see what it said, so I was trying not to pay attention to it while I was on the show. He should be expected to return against the Bucks in this game. Jordan Mason is still questionable. Between him and Garendo, I think McAfee is going to get his opportunity to eat and Jordan Mason is still questionable. So between him and Guarindo, I think McCaffrey's going to get his opportunity to eat. So I'm going to go with the Niners here, but I'm going, niners.
Speaker 3:Shane. I like Niners, but the Bucs offensively are always going to keep them in games.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah. And then their defense will keep them right back out of the game. And I said I you know how I do, I listen to anybody who's lost a tough one, their podcast and his defender, the, the tepabay guy, is just like he's mad at the decision and he's mad at the defense. Like defense, just horrible. Like is anybody even out there on the field at times.
Speaker 1:So yeah, all right, here's a good one. Now, steelers at Commanders. I'll be honest, man, I'm not sure, but you guys? Well, first, I really don't know the answer. Do you guys have one, because I have to need some more time to think about.
Speaker 2:I'm picking Pittsburgh, but this will be. I mean, the styles are interesting. You know he's kind of got strength on strength for sure. Um, does mike williams become the x factor in this one? Is he up to speed already? Which feels like the pittsburgh playbook for an should be like two pages.
Speaker 3:So I don't even know it's a post-it note run right, waggle pass yeah.
Speaker 2:So I'm taking Pittsburgh, but I think that'll be it.
Speaker 3:Enjoy that game All right, how about you Sam?
Speaker 2:Ben Parker.
Speaker 3:I'm going with the Commanders.
Speaker 2:I like that pick.
Speaker 3:I think this is a time for them to, you know, prove that they're an upper echelelon team. I think they've won some games uh, they don't have one that really sticks out. I think if you beat a solid pittsburgh defense, I think that this could be one that really puts them up wow, but I guess it's my time and I still don't know I'm gonna command this at home.
Speaker 1:I don't.
Speaker 2:I think that's a good pick. That's probably the smarter pick for sure you know what.
Speaker 1:That's probably what's not going to happen too. I got a feeling in my gut that this is going to pull it out, but I'm like I don't have any numbers. I don't have any numbers, I don't know what the odds were, but I just got a feeling, man, it's still going to pull it out I. But I don't feel great about it whatsoever, just to be honest.
Speaker 2:Can I mention Carson Beck? The only person on this list is not a pro, catching just a random straight.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I want to see how he got broken through, big neck got thrown into the sea and Carson Beck got pulled out. How did that happen? I don't know where we'll be going with that one. That's funny, though, dang man. I think that Chargers I'm going Chargers here pretty easily. I don't have any doubt. That's what's going to happen. You guys got Chargers or Titans.
Speaker 2:Chargers, oh Chargers.
Speaker 1:Yeah, all right, this is a tough one too. Jets at Cardinals. I'm going with Cardinals because you know. Cardinals I don't care, even Rodgers leads, I'm still saying the same thing. I'm picking on Jets on this squad, eagles at Cowboys.
Speaker 2:Cowboys losing at home.
Speaker 1:Now Mingo might be the X-Factor in this game, though you know he ain't going to be the X-Factor in nothing, I'm just saying so. Do you know there's a?
Speaker 2:conspiracy theory that Jerry Jones traded for Mingo to take to be a distraction so nobody would be talking about. Like how bad they are and the Dak Prescott injury they had better options.
Speaker 1:They wanted to really really get somebody who was like what a bigger distraction. A name that you actually know they're out there. Jonathan Mingo was not the one that you would have been thinking of, so no, jerry Jones is just trying to find somebody to play with Trey Lance. That's all he's doing right now. Lions at Texas. I'm going Lions here. Yeah, going Lions.
Speaker 2:Texas is dope like. Are they in a softball slump or is it just the injuries or just?
Speaker 1:no, I gave you props on Twitter about that. You called it, man, a regression in CJ Stroud. You called it in the beginning of the well in the offseason. That's exactly what's happening. He's regressed Facts. Now, ben, stop it. Ben, if you have a fantasy team and you put Mingo on your team and you start him, you get what you pay for, all right.
Speaker 2:I feel like someone here must be playing against ben this weekend because it feels kind of it just kind of weighted in person it's a setup.
Speaker 3:I'll tell you what, though. Ben has been bringing out these mystery questions on his podcast and uh, austin and I knew that dallas was terrible, but this last one was about the defense in the nfl and the. The basic answer is that dallas is terrible at everything. Like. As much as you may think they're bad, you don't even have the team's understanding of how bad dallas's defense is. So you know anybody playing against dallas. I'm gonna pick them on my fantasy team.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's actually good, I ain't putting them on my team Catching them at a food dinner Homemade mac and cheese included while listening to y'all. Thanks for the entertainment, no problem.
Speaker 3:Gotta help out a Saints fan.
Speaker 1:That's a good thing, right, that we help. Okay, I'm not quite sure where to go with that. It's good, Thank you. All right, last game Dolphins at Rams. I can't pick the Dolphins here, I'm sorry. I don't think that they've gotten back to their normal form yet. So I'm going Rams here, especially if Pacquiao he only got kicked out of the last game, he should be back in this game. They didn't look good in that last game at all. But you guys got numbers on the Rams-Dolphins game.
Speaker 2:I went. I did go Dolphins in support of Raj.
Speaker 1:That's fine. I'm sure he'll appreciate that.
Speaker 2:He might talk bad about me somehow or blame me for them losing.
Speaker 1:I got Rams here, so I'm not going to even mess around with this.
Speaker 2:And Raj posted earlier that the Dolphins were going to lose on Monday night. He did, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but I don't know if he was serious. Was it LOL after it? Or he was just okay, no, LOL, he meant everything he said no, that's a statement.
Speaker 2:And we didn't pick tonight's game, did we?
Speaker 1:Holy smokes. No, okay, all right, so Holy smokes, no, okay, all right.
Speaker 2:So we got a holy smokes out of it. I like it.
Speaker 1:This is funny. Okay, this is funny Cause I this is another tough one Cause you look at the record and you think, oh, it's easy, we're going to go mop the floor with him. No, no, I don't. I don't know. I don't know that because I have Gusecki and Brown going, I need them to go off and go crazy out here. So I'm going to do something crazy I'm going to pick the Bengals.
Speaker 2:I don't even think that's crazy to be honest you don't. They had the first game won. They basically gave that one away. Like I am picking the Ravens, but I think your pick is valid. It's probably more well thought out, honestly, than my pick. Like I said, they had the first one won. Their offense has actually been playing well lately. They need to go on a run. What if the Ravens decide to Raven? You never know with them this could be the game where they decide to throw 50 times.
Speaker 1:Have they got the minus six?
Speaker 2:I would never. If I was that kind of person, it would be Bengals plus six, all day.
Speaker 1:Hmm, no, they got the Ravens minus six. That makes sense, but I'm still going with the Bengals, all right. So, shane, you got all of these picks. Man, you got them all locked in.
Speaker 2:Shane hasn't made his pick.
Speaker 1:I'm going.
Speaker 2:Ravens.
Speaker 1:Okay, that makes sense, all right, so we got time for our five-pack poll, ready for it. Oh shoot, I'm going to send you right here so we can watch a little TNF. I'm excited about this game tonight. This should be a good one. All right, but let's go ahead and jump in. This is fun, man. Good show today, by the way, guys. Awesome stuff so far. Thank you guys for listening and watching and commenting. Great job by you, great questions and comments. We love it. Please keep that coming and please share us on your social media platforms. Thank you for doing that in advance.
Speaker 1:All right, so our five-pack poll goes like this every week and hopefully we can keep this going. I'm going to need you guys to help After Thanksgiving it. You guys help, uh, after thanksgiving kind of helped me organize some of the stuff again. But every week we get five teams in five categories. First category win the division. Second category last place in the division. Third category playing in the super bowl. Not winning it, but playing in the super bowl within the next three years. The fourth one is a full rebuild and the fifth one is a first round, first round playoff exit.
Speaker 1:Our five teams this week are the Los Angeles Chargers, the Pittsburgh Steelers, the Houston Texans, the Minneapolis Vikings and the Atlanta Falcons. So the Chargers, the Steelers, the Texans, the Vikings and the Falcons, all of these teams have something in common they're all contending for the playoffs, so right now they're in a great position to get there. I think the Chargers should be included in that. If my math is correct, they should be in contention for a playoff berth. And thank you, ben. We love the 5-5 team. We love you too, brother. Thank you, man, it's awesome. So how do you guys want me to start off? Do?
Speaker 2:you guys have some time, or are?
Speaker 1:you guys ready to roll? I'm stuck on one part. All right, shane, you ready for me to go?
Speaker 3:You can start. I'm ready to go, but I'll let you lead.
Speaker 1:Copy that, copy that, all right. So for first-round playoff exit, I'm going Texans here. I could have put them in a couple of spots, but I'm putting them here. Herb called it in the offseason definitely regression and they're in a weak division, which doesn't help. They got three or four teams that are looking at major overhauls so they kind of had a false sense of security and the stars that are kind of difference makers that are not playing digs us out for the season. Nico should be back sometime soon, but I think it's gonna be maybe a little longer than we thought, so maybe going into december or later. So I think if there's a first round playoff exit in this group, it's them full rebuild. Believe it or not.
Speaker 1:I'm going with the pittsburgh steelers here. I never have a long-term quarterback yet and I know that russell's doing good. But you know it's one thing to be good and they got tape on you the year after. We know how that looks. So it's a little bit different and I don't know if field's gonna be coming back. If russell stays, I doubt field's coming back and if russell leaves, field would be the guy. So I don't know what they plan to do there. But it's a good chance they got something to do with the quarterback quarterback at least in the next couple years. They they got Pickens, who is his contract, up after next year, cordero Patterson up after next year, najee up after this year, fields up after this year and Daniels, their starting guard, up after this year. So they got a lot of people to pay, a lot of mouths to feed. I don't see them paying everybody Playing the Super Bowl in the next three years.
Speaker 1:I'm going with the Chargers here. They're building the championship team the way I enjoy. I've seen it in the national championship game. I saw how they built that team and I like the pattern they used to build a team on defense and with the running game, and the Chargers have done that and they're doing that in great display. In the past two or three games I think it was so they beat them in the last place in the division, believe it or not.
Speaker 1:I'm going with the Vikings here. You know why? Because out of all the guys in this five-pack, this is the only team in this group that's about two games from last place. Everybody was four games from last place, five games from last place. The Vikings are two games out. As good as they're playing. Then they got seven wins. They're two games out from last place and they had some trouble in play from darnell recently relying on uh they running back who's injured a lot of the time. I love me some aaron jones man, don't get me wrong, but he burned me in fantasy for many a year. He gave me a thousand yards and that man will go out and I'll be dead in the water, dead duck. So I'm going with the Minnesota Vikings and of course that leads to Atlanta Falcons as the division winners. What you got, shane.
Speaker 3:So I am very close to you, Yusuf.
Speaker 2:You gave me the final piece of my puzzle there.
Speaker 3:So I went Houston as the division winner. I think we've talked about them already. Um, for me, for the dead last, I went the vikings as well, not because I think that they're going to be terrible, but because that's a tough, uh division for them. You know you, you can easily come in last and still have a winning record right now. I mean that that group right there is tough to beat. I went with the Chargers as well. I'm probably not as big of a Harbaugh guy as you are, but I have always thought that he does a great job in leading his teams. He gets the most out of his guys, and I think the Chargers have some components. They need some more weapons on offense, but they have a good offensive line some run game.
Speaker 3:The defense is playing outstanding this year. Um, for that, pittsburgh again, I think you hit on all the key points. I don't think they've made a decision on a quarterback. And the other thing is for pittsburgh at some point you're gonna run out of magic, you're gonna fall down on a bad season and I think if pittsburgh gets to where they have a bad season, they're're not going to want that to happen again and they'll try to rebuild as quickly as possible. And then for me, for the first-round exit, I went with the Falcons. I think they have the talent, but I also wouldn't be surprised to see them lose an early-round game.
Speaker 1:Yeah, if Cousins is the quarterback, yeah, that could happen. Yep, herbo, what you? That could happen. Yeah, her role with your brother.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean you guys hit on the easiest one for me Pittsburgh and the rebuild. And that's like I like them, I like Tomlin. But you know, you all know my rule If you don't have a quarterback situation set up for the future, you go into my rebuild category. So that's where I'm going to be Houston Super Bowl in three years, just because I'd love to see it. I'd love to meet O'Ryans over there, Will Anderson's there as well, so that would be mine. So then the rest of them kind of slotted in First round exit with the Chargers. That gave me Atlanta first in their division. That one actually kind of seemed easy with the division falling apart around them. And then so that's what I couldn't figure out is who I would have last, because originally I had Atlanta, but I was like if Carolina exists, I could never get to that point, like in this season or like any other season. So the Minnesota. I like the logic on Minnesota, just because of how their division is. You don't have to be bad to finish last in their division.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's a good point. Yeah Well.
Speaker 1:I stole your point.
Speaker 2:So good point for you. If you see all the scribbles on my paper, I'm like this was a good one because, like you said, they weren't contending contenders. So it worked out really well.
Speaker 1:This is good man. This was some good stuff, man. I had fun with this. We're just going to spend a little bit more time on a couple of topics, but you know what? It's all good, we had a good time. If I'm not mistaken, Herb's going to be out next week. He's going to be doing some two weeks For the next two weeks. Fair enough.
Speaker 2:No, no, no, I mean like not next week. In two weeks I will be gone. I will be flying out to Dallas for the Oklahoma game.
Speaker 1:That's what the problem is.
Speaker 1:The 21st I will be gone Because I'm going to the Oklahoma game. You just scratched everything I said. I don't know what I'm talking about, I don't know today's date and you told me what to say. But whatever, right. But wherever you are and happy you're hearing our show, thanks again for listening and making us a part of your week. We are out of here. Have fun, guys. I love all the comments. Oh man, we missed, spent some time and making us a part of your week. We are out of here. Have fun, guys. Love all the comments. Oh man, we missed some time with you, brother. We're out of here now.
Speaker 2:We're about to bounce. Now he's got a show that comes on at the same time.
Speaker 1:That's why yeah, I know, man, we go on to OT. Next time you have some more time to come and join us, man. We hear your thoughts on George and some other stuff, man. But thanks again for joining us, everybody for the comments and the questions. We love it. If you support, we are out of here and I got to find the music so I can play it. And we out, we out, we out.
