Thanksgiving Debates and NFL Insights: Pre-Thanksgiving Special

Is the Thanksgiving table incomplete without cranberry sauce, or is it the unsung hero of holiday meals? We kick things off with a hearty laugh and a spirited debate over this beloved yet controversial dish, as the T3 crew reconvenes. Herb and Rodg are both on vacation, but we're thrilled to have Ben Parker from the Sports and Money Podcast adding his unique insights to our lively discussions. Together, we explore Thanksgiving traditions and share a few chuckles over poll results about the most disliked Thanksgiving foods, all while keeping the energy high and the conversation engaging.

Football fans, rejoice as we tackle the latest NFL matchups with vigor, spotlighting standout performances and potential game-changing moments. The Cincinnati Bengals vs. Los Angeles Chargers game takes center stage, with Joe Burrow and Ja'Marr Chase strutting their stuff despite Cincinnati's defensive woes. We also dissect the Buffalo Bills' victory over the Kansas City Chiefs, mulling over Josh Allen's brilliance and the Chiefs' offensive struggles. Our discussion doesn't shy away from posing provocative questions about referees' influence on game outcomes and the transformative potential of quarterbacks like Justin Herbert for teams such as the New York Giants.

From bold predictions to hypothetical scenarios, this episode is packed with thoughtful analyses that ponder the future of teams like the Green Bay Packers, Cincinnati Bengals, and New York Giants. The Giants' Super Bowl prospects ignite passionate debate, especially in light of their current challenges with Daniel Jones at quarterback. We wrap up with a mix of humor and camaraderie, sharing playful Thanksgiving wishes and banter about the upcoming Giants game. This episode serves as a feast of entertaining insights and dynamic discussions, making it a must-listen for sports enthusiasts seeking both fun and depth in their football talk.

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Chapters

• 0:29 Sports Talk Show Banter With Guests
• 8:07 NFL Game Recaps and Poll Questions
• 20:07 Debate Over Justin Herbert on Giants
• 25:20 Quarterback Impact on Giants and Bills
• 34:34 NFL Quarterback Comparison and Game Discussions
• 42:36 Late-Game Losses in NFL Teams
• 46:22 NFL Quarterback Discussion and Analysis
• 57:09 Quarterback Discussion and Evaluation
• 1:00:18 NFL Game Analysis and Predictions
• 1:09:34 NFL Game Predictions and Analysis
• 1:18:22 Bold Predictions for Five NFL Teams
• 1:29:32 Debate Over Giants' Super Bowl Chances
• 1:36:35 Thanksgiving Wishes and Football Banter

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:29

Thank you, what's up everybody. Welcome back to T3. Mr U's in the house, shane's in the house, herb and Roger on vacation flying around this great nation, and we got Ben Parker coming on in from sports the money podcast.

Speaker 2: 0:45

He'll be in here in a few minutes hopefully, but, shane, how you doing man, good to see you again I'm happy here representing for herb and rod, you know they're not here got the uh the alabama sweatshirt on, wow about his podcast loves to rock the boonie hat, so I figure I steal from him all the time on this show. I might as well steal an outfit from him as well.

Speaker 1: 1:08

You stole his outfit as well. Wow, that's stealing to another level. Well, I'm excited to be buried, but I missed you guys. Last week I was out sick for most of you guys that were checking on some of our posts. I'm not 100%, but I couldn't go three weeks without seeing you guys and talking sports with you guys, because next week is Thanksgiving. We guarantee it ain't going to be here. So I had to try to get inside here and make it work. We got an extended show today because we're out next week and I was out last week. So hold on to your hats. We're going to be here for a while taking your questions and your comments on the show and then you talk sports with us. So we're excited about having you guys back here and let's see what we got going on in the comments section, already getting cranked up the Fun and Football Podcast, loving the show already. Thank you so much for your support. Appreciate you, man. Lady Alpha's in the house. She said roll tide, that's right here. Oh man, I love this. I love this, all right. So we're getting love here already, all right.

Speaker 1: 2:09

This is Herb from Herb and Raj Podcast. Tuesday nights, 8 pm CST on Central Time. I'm here for like 10 minutes. All right, bro, guess what? We'll take it, we'll take it. And, bro, you ain't. First, the Funny Football Podcast beat you by a couple of inches, dick, so sorry about that, but it's all good. Glad to have everybody here in the house, all right, so we got a lot going on. We're piling about 10 pounds of fun into a five-pound bag, so we're going to see how that turns out. All right, ben's in the house jumping on with us. What's up, big boy?

Speaker 3: 2:40

What's going on, everybody, how y'all doing.

Speaker 1: 2:42

All right, all right, I love this. The crew is up in here, all right. Just about everybody is here, so we're excited about that. A whole bunch of folks coming on here. So we'll see what we got going on.

Speaker 1: 2:54

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Speaker 1: 3:12

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Speaker 1: 3:37

So we had a lot of poll questions. Now, one thing you know about me if I'm under the weather and I can't do my normal stuff in life, I'm going to have poll questions all over social media because I'm just thinking that I can't function. So when I was sick for that whole week plus I'm not even 100% yet I put a lot of poll questions out. I didn't realize there was that many of them, so I was just talking about two poll questions, but I got like six on the docket. I'm like it's okay, we can go ahead and go through all of them and have fun with it. I'm going to talk to some of our fans who I don't understand some of the answers. We're going to get on that just a little bit. But the main two poll questions, we'll tackle those first, get your thoughts on those, Then we'll get to the other ones. And since Herb was on vacation, couldn't be here, he is chiming in in the comment section but he has some videos for some video responses to some of the things that we are talking about on today's show. So you'll see him. He'll still be here with us. He's just going to be recorded from a location that's undetermined.

Speaker 1: 4:37

But our first poll question was about Thanksgiving. It's coming up next Thursday. All I hear about at this time of the year is what food item isn't working and the one they love the most. So I put a poll out here what's the Thanksgiving food item that you hate that everybody else seems to just love for some strange reason? Now, I had a good few. It was about maybe 50 or 60 votes. Good few answers there. Cranberry sauce came in almost dead last, 11.1%. How could you hate cranberry sauce? I don't understand that. I don't understand, ben. How could you hate cranberry sauce? It don't taste so good. It doesn't taste good. It don't taste so good, man. What do you mean? It's?

Speaker 3: 5:21

sweet man, just give me some jelly, I'll spread on some toast. Man, give you some jelly, yeah.

Speaker 1: 5:28

I'm not understanding. You hate cranberry sauce too.

Speaker 2: 5:32

Yeah, no, I'm good with cranberry sauce.

Speaker 1: 5:36

I mean not caring for it, but hating. I don't understand how you can hate cranberry sauce. Once you hit that dressing together, something magical happens. How can you hate it? I'm missing it. Okay, but that's not the worst one. The next one, second place I guess you could say is the candy yams. I get that. Most folks can't do them right, so I get the whole. That was like 29.6% of the vote. Almost 30% of the vote was candy yams. But the number one food I hated, which I'm kind of surprised by, is the green bean casserole 37% of the vote. They hate. I'll be honest, I don't like it either.

Speaker 1: 6:16

Here's the thing about this you got to love mushroom soup to love green bean casserole. Now raise your hand. If you eat mushroom soup by itself, nobody's hands are going to go up, right? Nobody does that. You only get mushroom soup for one reason that's a green bean casserole and it's the main part of it. So if you like mushroom soup, guess what it's in your workout. Like I said, I love green bean casserole. Why, girl, do you love mushroom soup too? Do you love mushroom soup too?

Speaker 3: 6:47

Yep.

Speaker 1: 6:48

Oh, my goodness, I don't know about most of these. I don't like cranberry sauce. I'm good with the yams, because people just really screw those up really bad. And the green bean casserole. I don't know how we got an authentic menu, but it's time to replace it with something else. No question, excuse me, guys, I'm it's time to replace it with something else. No question, excuse me, guys, I'm a little bit congested. Forgive me, guys for making these weird nose noises on the screen here. Sorry about that.

Speaker 1: 7:09

All right, so the second poll question. We're kind of more, hopefully a little bit more docile, but it's sports, so you never know. The most dueling nfl game this past week. Now I had a lot of answers there, but what ended up happening in our poll is that two games were not at about 32%. So everybody was probably in my same. If I could vote twice, I'd have voted for these two games Cincinnati and Los Angeles, the Chargers and, of course, the Chiefs and the Bills. Those two games were the marquee games from last week. I had a few votes for Baltimore and Pittsburgh, but nothing compared to these two games were the marquee games from last week. I had a few votes for Baltimore and Pittsburgh, but nothing compared to these two games. Your guys' thoughts on the Bengals-Chargers game and the Chiefs and the Bills Real quick on your thoughts on that. We keep on moving forward with our poll questions. What do you got?

Speaker 2: 7:58

I mean I like both of those games, but I picked Cincinnati and the Chargers. I thought it was all around a better played game. The. But I picked Cincinnati and the Chargers. I thought it was all around a better played game. The other thing is, I mean we've talked about it multiple times but Cincinnati as a team is just a fire right now.

Speaker 2: 8:13

But Chase and Burrow are leading the league in everything else, like if it shows you that you can't just win with a quarterback and a wide receiver. You know you'd love to see if they had a running game. You know it seems like Joe Mixon was doing OK for himself with the Texans. I mean defense just hasn't been able to pull things together for Cincinnati. But I thought that game was great. As you know Harbaugh fans. So I like the Chargers can pull that out in the way they play. But when it comes to the Bills it's always just going to be it's Josh Allen doing heroic things, which to me doesn't always make it a great game. So I didn't think that that was a super game. Cheers to the Bills for getting that victory and putting a loss on the Chiefs docket for this year.

Speaker 1: 9:03

Copy that. You know what? That game with the Bengals it was really frustrating. I had some fantasy implications in it. So there's that. Plus, you know I'm kind of partial to Jim Harbaugh, so of course you know I follow the charges had been before he got there anyway, but just really now. But some of the things calls-wise I was like, oh wow, you don't want to be relying on referees to help you win games. But man, the referee sure helped them not win this game in a lot of different ways. But like you said, burrow and Chase, that was the marquee matchup there. I mean I think Burrow probably has the lead, or at least the top of it in past yards, just because of that combination he's gutting out there. Like we talked about on many shows before, if you're not winning in the trenches you're probably not going to win, and they've always had that as a liability and I think it kind of showed up a little bit in this case too, in the Bills and the Chiefs game. I want you to jump in Ben On the Bills and the Chiefs game. I want you to jump in Ben on the Bills in the Chiefs game.

Speaker 1: 10:06

I felt like part of what you said was true about him being Superman, but there was opportunities there. I was watching Shaquille because I had him on my team starting on that game. It was a lot of opportunities where he was open and Josh didn't see him. I saw this at least twice. There were some times where, play-c calling-wise, he would try to push the ball to a specific person, as opposed to you know, somebody like Shakir, who was open a lot of the times in the slot. They could have done a lot more to move the change there. So I kind of felt like it was they won the game. So I guess you don't really care, but there was a lot of opportunities for for something that you probably have to do to be successful in the postseason, which I didn't see it the way. I'd like to Go ahead and Ben jump in on those two games Cincy and the Chargers and the Chiefs and Bills. What do you got, sir?

Speaker 3: 10:56

My favorite was the Bengals and the Chargers. That was just a whole heck of a lot of fun. I mean you talk about telling two halves two lot of fun. I mean you talk about telling two halves two heavyweight boxers going at it and just kind of trying to knock each other out. You had the wild Cincinnati bunch throwing the football all over the place with that crappy defense. And then you got the Chargers who were kind of getting forced to come out of their shell a little bit, not just run and play defense but actually throw the football. Man, I love that game. But real quick. On the Chiefs, kansas City has got some things to work on. Their two tackles are a big problem, we all know it. Their wide receiver room ain't stepped up yet. The defense is good, but not elite, it's just very good. You can't beat that defense if you've got a good offense. But especially the offense has things to work on. But nobody's better at it than Andy Reid. So come, see us, come playoff time, see if he can make adjustments.

Speaker 1: 11:46

You heard him say come see us. Did y'all catch that? I can't rewind it back because we're live. Did you hear that? Come see us. Okay, I just hope someone else caught that one. But yeah, that's a very frustrating team man, because we talked about it in the preseason. That wire receiver is going to be an issue because they tried to piece it together last year with duct tape and bubble gum and they got by somehow. They struggled a little bit last year but they got by somehow and got into the playoffs and then eventually won the Super Bowl again for the second time. At that point so I said you know what they better fix that problem. And they got Xavier Worthy, but I didn't feel like that was a solution and you can see how he just goes off of the map, sometimes turns into the invisible man, don't know if he's even on the team. Sometimes it's like okay, so you still got a wide receiver issue, but these guys were undefeated up until last week. I'm like, how are they getting by with this? Honestly, I don't have answers for this.

Speaker 1: 12:48

People say referees and they're cheating. I can't use that one for every single one of these games. There's some games I'm like, oh wow, that's a call I didn't even see. And I got a 70-inch. I couldn't see that call. So I can't use referees as an excuse for all the games they won, but they are very, very frustrated knowing how they did it. So the referee I can't use the referee as an excuse for all the games they won, but they are very, very frustrated knowing how they did it.

Speaker 1: 13:09

And Herb said we owe him money, eight dollars. We didn't. We didn't. I don't think we agreed on any of this. Okay, checks in the mail Bangles. Last team, last team's chance to make a run for it. He felt like, yeah, I think this season may be over, based on the record. Right now. They have to do a lot to. They're going to need somebody's help to get into the playoffs by themselves. If they just won out, I don't know if that would even be enough for them.

Speaker 1: 13:42

And that's the kind of game that you win. I mean because you have Sturgeon. Higgins was back and he was. I mean he was basically unguardable last week and it's like you got him and you got Chase. Like, what else are you looking for? I love me some Chase Brown, partially because he's on my squad, but you got everything you want. And if you use Gusecki I mean, now you got to what's the other guy's name? He's been taking all of Gusecki's targets. But you got tight end production, you're targeting them. I mean, what are you looking for? The trenches are an issue Again. We talked about that before on many shows. You know what I'm saying. But you got offensive firepower. What are you looking for? And you can't get it done? The kicker for the most part, except for last week, he's generally one of the best kickers in the league. What else you want? That's the kind of game you can't lose and the Chargers, to their discredit, gave this game back to the Bengals. I don't know how many times in the last maybe eight minutes of this game they gave the game back like here no, we don't want it, you have it, you take it. And they wouldn't take it. So there's that, alright.

Speaker 1: 14:54

So we had four poll questions. Mr Yu was bored and sick, sitting in a recliner poll questions, so this is about my crazy mind was operating with medication and just my. My crazy mind was operating with medication and just my normal crazy mind in there. One of the poll questions was if the Chiefs had Jared Goff, what would their record be? And I had people say the Chiefs, now the world champion Chiefs. If they had Jared Goff, they'd be 6-4 or worse. Right now I'm like they're like 40% of their vote. I'm like, okay, I'm going to read all of the winning votes out and you guys can talk about it and we're going to let Herb jump in with his videos. Okay, if the Giants had Justin Herbert, they'd be five and five. Right now Some of my listeners.

Speaker 1: 15:44

Man, you guys are ridiculous. That right there is ridiculous. Let's move on the Bills. If they had Jalen Hurts, hurts, they have a 7-4 record right now, or worse, 77% of the vote said that. Okay, I can feel that If the Niners had Lamar, they'd be 5-5 right now. Oh man, what are you guys' thoughts on this little fun poll right here? I'm going to get to that giant thing in a minute, but I'm going to let you guys chime in real quick. Or, if you want me to, we'll go ahead and go to Herb and his thoughts, dale on some of these, and then we'll come back to you. How do you want to do it? Want to hear Herb first.

Speaker 3: 16:32

Yeah, let's hear Herb.

Speaker 1: 16:34

So you can steal his answers.

Speaker 3: 16:36

Lay it on us, Herb.

Speaker 1: 16:37

All right. So let's go with the first one first and we'll go back-to-backs. We can go ahead and just get those in there. So this is his take on the World Championships having Jared Goff.

Speaker 4: 16:48

All right, poll question Jared Goff takes over the Chiefs. You know what's the record. So, first off, Patrick Mahomes is the best quarterback in the league. You know, I know he's not. The statistics don't bear it out. This year he hasn't been playing up to his potential. But you'd be hard-pressed to tell me, if you had one drive and you could pick any quarterback in the league, that he wouldn't be the guy. If this was, hey, we've got to get a touchdown on this drive. I've chastised several teams for taking him to overtime, because you just know what happens in those situations. So you've got the best quarterback in the league. So subbing him out just always feels like it's going to go worse. Right, Eric Goff is having an amazing season, right, but I think you could make a great case, and I don't even know if it's much of an argument that the Lions have much better weapons than the Chiefs do.

Speaker 4: 17:44

Right now the Chiefs seem to be dropping guys left and right. You know, Kelsey, I think the mustache is dragging him down. He's not playing up to his full potential. You know he lose Rice and Mahomes gets it done. He's mobile. He doesn't run a lot, but he's mobile enough to make you pay when that counts. And I mean I've seen them run out like four tight end sets and still run a pass play. You know Mahomes gets it done, so it's not a knock on golf, but I have to say that the record would be worse with him at the helm instead of Mahomes. So they're at what? 9-1 right now, Only lost one game. I'm going to give them a couple more losses and put them in the 7-3 range. So, like I said, I think they'll still be good and the golf working with them the whole time. He'll understand that, but Mahomes is still Mahomes and I think you have to give him his credit. I say they are a little worse if they make that tradeout.

Speaker 1: 19:25

So that's a lot better than what the polls, what the leading poll was saying, saying 64 or worse. I'm like come on On the Chiefs on their side. They got a lot of talent still. I mean, if golf is doing what he's doing in Detroit, he doesn't have a tight end like Kelsey in Detroit. Let's just be honest, I like Laporta a lot, but he's not that. He's a little bit different. So there's a lot of things the running back. I think it's a little bit more even. I don't think we're going to take the time to kind of parse out what it looks like. But what are you guys' thoughts on this poll? The Chiefs had golf. Do you feel like those numbers bear out? Six and four sounds right to you guys? Too low, too high? How are you feeling? Real quick, and then we'll get to the next one?

Speaker 2: 20:07

I mean, for me, I agree exactly with what Herb said. I mean, mahomes is a better quarterback, but I, hey, herb and I think, a lot alike. The thing that I think is the difference here, though, is I would put him, you know, two losses. I mean, goff is playing great this year. The big thing for him is he has a better offensive line pretty much at every spot other than maybe center right now, but that allows Detroit to do an awful lot of things that Kansas City doesn't do. Mahomes pulls an awful lot of plays off. I think you know he'd be good, but I was surprised as many people jumped on it. I mean, the one that jumped out to me was the Lamar Jackson one. I couldn't believe that.

Speaker 1: 20:53

And the same thing for Justin Herbert, those other ones those were the ones that got me. We're going to come to that one, but we got to get to this giant Herbert one first. But, ben, any thoughts on the Chiefs' golf. You feel pretty good about where it was, poll-wise, my main thought is.

Speaker 3: 21:07

I didn't think I was going to get the cheat off of Herb this week, but man, he's with us in video and on the chat. I get cheat off of him all night, man, so I love it, I'm right there with him. I would have put them at seven wins, but that's not available, so I'll drop them to six and four, since the seven win mark isn't available. That'd be worse.

Speaker 1: 21:26

It wasn't available. I thought that was a.

Speaker 3: 21:31

I didn't see it. Maybe it's there. If it's there, I'll take it.

Speaker 1: 21:35

Well, herb definitely took it, so you definitely can, without question. All right, let's go ahead and deal with this elephant in the room with the Giants and Herbert. Okay, listen to me, Hear me without any fandom, taking all the fandom out. I promise you agonize and analyze this thing so much that they ain't know. Or this is just homoerism out of it's already out of me, it's been excreted out of me. There's none in me right now.

Speaker 1: 22:03

I'm looking at things for what they are Common sense. You can't sit here and tell me that we wouldn't have a winning record, the past two years at least, if Herbert wasn't back. You can't tell me that we would. It would be phenomenal. We wouldn't be talking about a top 10 pick in a draft, but sure, we have our quarterback of the future and we would have the games that we lost. They were mostly on quarterback play. We eliminated the problem with just him being there. Not to lie, can't blame the line this year because they vastly improved. Can't blame the winning game because Tracy's been a stud. Yeah, he's not Saquon, but we love some Tyrone Tracy.

Speaker 1: 22:46

You can't say that Theo Johnson's coming on as a TE1, which nobody really expected. I thought he was going to be the TE2 this year behind Bellinger. None of that happened. He's taking over. You know what I'm saying? Jalen Hyatt, I think he's still on the team. I saw him on the depth squad to them. The guys are open a lot. The league neighbors are open a lot. You think Herbert can't find them? We would have won the majority of our games if he was there. What are y'all talking about?

Speaker 2: 23:18

The key thing is Justin Herbert would not be quarterback four right now playing scout team safety. I can guarantee you that, like that, this is a different team with him at quarterback that that was the one that threw me off the most like you can. I can't imagine how you would think that that record would be that with him I don't understand it.

Speaker 1: 23:40

I want them to identify themselves. I know they won't. They just picked the post anonymously, which Twitter sucks at. Put their name next to it so I can get after them. Five and five. Who could have did that with Daniel Jones? If he saw open receivers, we could have had five and five now. We're not even trying that hard to tank. They're not even working that hard at it. It's just happening like whatever. They're not even trying that hard at it. It's just happening like whatever. They're not even trying that hard. This poll is ridiculous. Just to be fair, let's hear Herb's thought on.

Speaker 4: 24:15

Herbert. So the poll question Justin Herbert on the Giants. I mean, first off, you'd probably be hard-pressed to find more starting quarterbacks playing worse than Daniel Jones right now. So, other than putting me in there, I'm not sure how your win total doesn't increase. So my first instinct is yeah, it's going to increase. With Herbert in there, you probably win a couple more games with him making throws, like the Panthers game comes to mind, given the state of the roster and the part of the rebuild. Would you want that though? You know, if justin herbert gets you a couple more wins and you lose draft position I mean, you would have the.

Speaker 4: 24:53

The caveat of you don't have to draft a quarterback in this next draft, but getting all the draft capital you can would still be a great thing. So, herbert, I think he would get you a couple more wins and then, once management realized this, he would come down with like a mysterious case of like I don't know whooping cough or have a hangnail and have to sit out a couple extra games just to ensure that they you know that they lose. But to answer the specific question, the Giants, with Herbert, probably win a couple more games, but in the long run they're worse for it. That's my answer.

Speaker 1: 25:31

This is the very first time that I could think of as long as Herbert and I have worked together. I didn't understand one word that he said. I didn't understand a thing that he said. I'm like a couple more games. Would you please go back and look at the win and look at the game that we lost and look at the totals. Did we get beat by 30 by anybody this year? How about 20? Matter of fact, you might be hard for us to find 10 points as a differential. Herbert would have changed the entire game for us. You kidding me? We wouldn't have to go in the draft and try to find no Shador or no Cam Ward or maybe a Jackson Dart in the second round. We wouldn't have to even worry about it because we'd have the quarterback of the future, a young guy with a cannon for an arm. What, what would do? Y'all have any thoughts about this? If not, I'm going to move on to the next one, because I'm getting ready to explode right now.

Speaker 3: 26:32

They did lose to the Eagles by 28-3, but other than that.

Speaker 1: 26:35

Okay, saquon just ran it, but Malik Davis was opening so many times in that game that I don't even know what to tell you. If you can't see that Herbert would dramatically improve that team, I can't convince you. There's nothing I can say.

Speaker 3: 26:53

I got him at five or seven wins of Herbert's there because I will say Dable, I really like the way he runs an offense limited by Jones, so why wouldn't I love an offense with Herbert at the center? And then that would start to unlock the running game and you'd see a tilt here. I don't know that they'd be 8-2, but you'd see a tilt here to the winning side versus the losing side if I were looking at it.

Speaker 1: 27:14

If they won five games. That's where you put us at then 7-3, 8-2. Right now, do we have that kind of team? There were teams that have a similar record, talent-wise, that are there and you're wondering when the bottom's going to fall out. Tell you the truth outside of Saquon, people might think the same thing about the Eagles too. Imagine if he was not on that team. How many games would they be winning right now. They played the part. So one player doesn't make a difference. If you've got something, man, go ahead and go for it. Man. And we're going to the Bills and Jalen Hurts. You got something.

Speaker 2: 27:50

Well, I think, playing off of what Ben said, I mean Brian D'Abel got this position because he took Josh Allen and played running slash, throwing quarterback and maximized wide receivers. So if you look at that same philosophy, justin herbert falls right into that. You can see, like are you, you're telling me there's no way that the wide receivers that he could play with with the giants are that much better than what he has on the chargers team right now. Like just malik neighbors blows the rest out of the way. And I love lad McConkie, but he even he knows he's not a number one wide receiver. Clinton Johnson has played great this year but has been non-existent up until now for him he's played great. But so you look at that. There's no way that I think that the giants are worse. Their defense is playing great this year.

Speaker 2: 28:47

Um, getting pressure on the quarterback. You cut down on the turnovers. I agree with you. You know philly put it to him, but that was more saquon barkley putting it to the giants than it was anything else. Um, yeah, yeah, I I'm. The only part that I agree with on herb's point is if you're a giants fan and you want them to be able to get loaded back up. He is right, it's better to tank than it is to be mediocre. Which do? I think that Herbert gets you into the playoffs. There's a possibility because I think they could compete with Washington, philly with a talented quarterback.

Speaker 1: 29:22

He knows how to find open receivers. Daniel Jones doesn't. And Jarius Slayton is better than Quinton Johnston at this particular point and he's like what a wide receiver three for us at this point, something like that. He's better than him. Over this, herbert would transform the team. Come on, guys, I need y'all to do better. Man, seriously, all right. So Bills and Jalen Hurts All right. So man, seriously All right. So Bills and Jalen Hurts, all right. So I don't have a big beef about this one. I think that Jalen Hurts, the mobility differential is different. I like Allen more there from a mobility standpoint, making plays with his legs and stuff. He showed that last week. It was like that touchdown was phenomenal. Defensivelyly probably shouldn't have happened, but bill allen just ran through everybody. I don't know that jayron hirst is doing that. So this poll I think it's reasonably good. I I think it might be a little high. Before you guys drop your comments, let's hear what uh herb has to say on this one.

Speaker 4: 30:25

Poll question time. So the poll that we're answering in this one is if the Bills had Jalen Hurts, what would their record be? This one hurt me oh see what I did there Because I love Jalen and I would love to think that he would continue the 9-2 record that the Bills have. But I have to go with less. I just think the Bills don't have as many weapons right now as what. Now they're building their wide receiver core, so I should say that. But I feel like the tandem that Philly has and with the tight end Goddard they're also as well, I feel like and with Barkley coming out of the backfield, I feel like they've really set Jalen up to succeed. And I feel like they've really set Jalen up to succeed and I feel like the bills maybe have a little bit less.

Speaker 4: 31:14

I did like the, the Cooper trade. I felt like that helped. But I just feel like Josh Allen is better suited to carry a team than Jalen is. So I could see their nine and two records slipping to like a seven and four. Still good, still lead you the division, but I can't give Jalen Hurts the same record as I give a josh allen right now this is coming from a guy who's been hating on josh allen forever and saying he's overrated, but I've got to give him his due.

Speaker 4: 31:34

This year the record, if they draw about those two quarterbacks I think, still is winning record, but I don't think it's as good as with josh allen.

Speaker 1: 31:41

So all right, that's right in line with the poll. What I see, what you did there, I love it. You guys are on top of the thing. I don't have a big too many comments here. I agree with her 100 on this one. I think there's going to be a drop off. Like I said, I think mobility plays a part because alan, just if you put into your all the intibles, him being able to run and basically running the people, hurst is not doing that stuff. He may have tried that in a year or two ago, but he's not doing that now. I think he actively tries to avoid that. So I think that's smart for him as a quarterback and for his health throughout the course of a season. But it doesn't give you the threat that it would Allen. So for me, I'm going to stick around seven and 14 to people that are posters. Got that right? You guys have any thoughts about that? If not, we'll just join into our niners and Lamar Jackson and it's like getting into some football. What do you guys think?

Speaker 2: 32:38

I mean I agree with the points that hurt me. The other thing is, Philadelphia's offensive line is way better than the Buffalo Bills and I think that offensive line helps Hurts an awful lot. I think you switch him out, like you said. I think they still would run the AFC East, but you're going to look at some more losses. There's no doubt about that.

Speaker 1: 32:56

Fair, fair Ben.

Speaker 3: 32:58

Yeah, I was at seven or eight wins, so seven and a half, depending on the toss-up game. Herb also says we don't have to pay his videos. One of us must have made him happy.

Speaker 1: 33:10

I didn't get to hear any bills. I'm kind of not in the place to get my $8. What happened to the trade? I want to make sure this isn't some kind of situation where we've got to call 911 for you. Are you good, brother?

Speaker 2: 33:24

Nope, all good. I was just so pumped that Herb isn't going to make us pay.

Speaker 1: 33:28

I saw that in a horror movie and it kind of made my heart beat. Okay, all right. So the last poll from Mr Uso's Sickening Recline. That poll was 49ers had Lamar. The poll says almost 41% of them said that they would have a 5-5 record. Good God, no-transcript, because Iyuka's out and McCaffrey's out. Is that how we got there? I don't. They got problems that don't have nothing to do with the quarterback position. Let's just put it like that. But before you guys get into your thoughts, let's hear what Herb has to say.

Speaker 4: 34:12

Man. One thing I can tell with having to look at myself over and over like this is am I just dragging down the team Like you? Guys are a good-looking bunch Like bellissimo. I apologize if I'm dragging the team down, but anyway, let's get on to the next poll question. We got the 49ers adding Lamar Jackson.

Speaker 4: 34:34

Now Purdy, I feel like, has been playing well, but he's had to battle Brandon Ayuk drops and then missing altogether, and then everyone on the team injured, including the ball boy and the water boy and, according to my reports, the head cheerleader as well. So Purdy has done well to get them back to 5-5. And the backup running backs have actually filled in pretty well for CMC, but I mean nobody's truly cmc. So I get that. But having said that, I feel like lamar jackson in this case with the weapons you have, you're not going to lose that much in the passing game and you will gain a lot more on the ground. And I just have to think that five and five record.

Speaker 4: 35:14

Lamar has to be good for another couple of wins, two to three wins. So I feel like their record would be better. That's not an indictment of Purdy and I want to make that clear. I'm not saying he's playing bad. I just feel like that extra dynamic, especially when you have all these injuries. I think that Lamar can bring that to the table. I think he gets him a couple more wins. And let's be honest, if you add the front runner for the MVP to your team and you don't get a couple more wins, then he should not be the MVP. But that's a discussion for another time.

Speaker 1: 35:44

Thanks. Fantastic work out of you, herb. I love it. Man, thank you. Good stuff, jeff's kiss. Awesome stuff, all right. So what do you guys think about the poll? I share my thoughts, man. Lamar makes that team better than where they are. Nobody even thinks that Purdy has the athletic ability. I'm just, these polls are just common sense. Some of this stuff, we can hash out the numbers and stuff, but, come on, some of this is just common sense. You can't tell me that Lamar doesn't change the game. Uh, let's keep the postseason out of it. That's a different situation for Baltimore. But when it comes to the regular season, you can't tell me the man you're talking about MVP right now for him, and we're not even at that place yet, so you're telling me he hasn't transformed that team by more than just three games. I question the football IQ of some of the folks that's on this poll. Man, I don't know who you are, but something's not right. Shane Ben, what are you guys thinking? Man?

Speaker 3: 36:37

I'm coming in hot man. You ready Are?

Speaker 1: 36:38

you ready? I'm ready, I'm coming in hot.

Speaker 3: 36:40

Okay, listen, I'm going to indict Purdy here. Okay, purdy is smart, intelligent, accurate and has that kind of a little clutch gene sometimes, but he is not an elite quarterback. He's not even close and he never ever will be. And I'm the leader in the clubhouse telling the 49ers not to pay him because once they do, a lot of his toys are going to disappear. They can't afford them all. He's a decent, good quarterback. When you give him all his toys and Shanahan, he goes to a pretty good quarterback okay.

Speaker 1: 37:10

Fair.

Speaker 3: 37:10

If Lamar freaking Jackson was on this team and I've been telling Kyle Shanahan to get a real quarterback for years If Lamar Jackson was on this team, they would be 8-2. And the only reason they would have two losses is because that defense just ain't hummed up yet. All right, I mean, the defense has been very inconsistent ever since D'Amico Ryan's left. They just have not been as crisp ever since he's gone to Houston. If Lamar Jackson and Kyle Shanahan were to hook up, they could finally both together do what they can't do separately, and that's win multiple Super Bowls. Okay, that's what would happen every single year. I mean, you know, that's where I'm at, man, so done it's easy man, this ain't hard, this is easy.

Speaker 1: 37:50

You just nailed it, shane.

Speaker 3: 37:51

Not to me. Maybe Shane thinks different though.

Speaker 2: 37:58

Could be the only same thing's different, though. The only thing I would disagree is maybe on the win total, but on everything else I'm pretty solid on there. I think lamar jackson and that type of offense uh, you see running lanes that brock purdy can't develop against that. You put lamar jackson in there, it's even more dangerous. Um, I also think with him and the way that I think they would also slow the clock down again. You know, if you're San Francisco, just like you said, the defense hasn't clicked, but they're also out there longer than what they have been.

Speaker 2: 38:24

The defensive line isn't getting the same push. I also think having a guy that makes some of those plays sometimes elevates everybody else too, like when you're third and 13 and you go OK, brock Purdy is going to have to throw this ball to Kittle in the middle of three people. Lamar Jackson can take care of those 13 yards by himself and make it a 57 yard touchdown. Throws the ball well, runs faster, bigger, stronger, has won more games. I mean, I don't know how anybody can think it'd be five and five.

Speaker 1: 39:00

I don't understand. Just think about this, about this okay, lamar's on offense on the niners right ball is snap. Lamar's moving to his right. Everybody on the opposite side. I think he's gonna run right. So they're moving. The cornerbacks are moving off with their man because, like, okay, they gotta ahead and try to protect the run. Lamar, can you know he has the ability to get into the second unit. We've seen him do it before. You mean to tell me they ain't going to open up Debo and Pissall for a big play downfield 30, 40 yard? Really, it's going to happen almost every time because he's a threat to run the ball. This ain't hard to figure out. You need to go to football university to figure this. This is not hard. These poll numbers are ludicrous. What are y'all doing out there?

Speaker 1: 39:44

I love you smoking on this one man, the others I can see I got questions about all of this, y'all can come for me on Twitter my boy will be here with me because we've seen the same poll, y'all seen had the same questions and y'all responses, outside of a couple of them, ridiculous, ridiculous, sorry, sorry, just ridiculous, absolutely ridiculous. All right, so let's talk a little bit about NFL, just watching you guys chat, all right. So, for time purposes, what games jumped out at you besides Cincinnati and the Chargers? And I guess, besides the Chiefs and the Bills too, anything else that jumped out at you besides cincinnati and the chargers, and I guess, besides the chiefs and the bills too, anything else that jumped out that you guys uh kind of wanted to uh highlight real quick. Once you do that, we'll hit. We hear kirby has a couple of uh thoughts on two different games on his, and then we'll jump into our predictions and we just keep the train moving a little bit.

Speaker 2: 40:36

What you guys got I mean for me, the only other one that sticks out is anytime Detroit plays. Right now they are a wagon right now Tough offensively, defensively. Special teams has come through for them too. I think they've started to really separate themselves right now.

Speaker 1: 40:58

Somebody dropped that question. Now I'm going to come back to that one in a little bit. Refresh me. Let me come back to that one Steelers and Browns. All right, wait you done, shane. Yep. All right, what you got, ben.

Speaker 3: 41:12

Yeah for me there's not two games, so much as two play callers Thomas Brown, the new play caller for the Bears, helping out Caleb Williams, really getting him not so much back on track throwing the deep ball. But hey, let's just get the ball out quick. Let's really spread. Let's do one read, two reads. Let's run football. Let's throw screens. Let's keep it tight, let's not turn the ball over, let's not get inside our own head. Really could see a huge difference there. And then Sean Payton doing the same thing for Bo Nix. Let's not know.

Speaker 3: 41:45

Bo Nix had four or five really good throws in that game that show that he is growing and developing. But still, sean Payton is the mastermind behind this. Right now he's calling screen, screen, screen run, short pass. Then he gives Bo a deep play to try it, try his luck on it, goes right back to screen, screen, screen run, short pass. And Sean is really doing a fantastic job of building Bo's confidence. We don't know how good Bo is yet, but he's showing some stuff. But Sean is really just setting the table for him, doing a fantastic job as a play caller absolutely all right.

Speaker 1: 42:15

So as far as that question from Carissa Carissa, we're going jump on that because it's going to be part of our prediction segment, so we're going to touch on the Seals and the Browns, so no worries there. Our big mic does a running wrestling podcast. It's a fantastic show. It'll be Thursday night at 9 pm EST, so you'll see it here on YouTube. Maybe on Twitter as well. I'm not quite sure about that.

Speaker 1: 42:36

He said what's on the other side of that poll question we had with the Lions and Mahomes? I'm like that would be phenomenal. Think about it. Mahomes is throwing to Jamison and Amon Ross St Brown. You know what's going to happen. It's going to be sick. That's incredible.

Speaker 1: 42:56

I like that Herb guy too. He did a fantastic job today. Thank you, bro. Those videos were on point. We got a few more coming from you still. So that would be amazing and I don't know that that would be the case. I doubt very highly. He wants to move his family to Detroit. Everybody got issues with breaking his. Now where he lives, you think he can move to Detroit. No, sir, sorry, sorry, no, no, hit on detroit, but let's be real about it. You guys ain't got a great crime record. Okay, that's all I'm saying. I'm from new york and I'm saying that.

Speaker 1: 43:26

So, trust me, no more poll questions on the giants. It wasn't but one. I hardly even do them all year, probably did, or? Yeah, let me give you guys a break. What is he talking about? We hardly discuss my team. I'm just. I can't take the response to the poll because that was ridiculous. Herbert would do you know the Giants would. Fans would jump out the window and hope they don't die. If they got Herbert on their team as a quarterback, do you know what they would do? How they would act? They'd act like they weren't a Super Bowl. They would go crazy. It's that much of an impact, trust me. Everybody knows it. So I said to folks this is some of our polls and your videos were incredible, man, awesome stuff from you. Alright, so anything else, as far as a game that kind of jumped out, there's so much stuff that happened that we can talk about. As far as a game that kind of jumped out, there's so much stuff that happened that we can talk about.

Speaker 1: 44:23

I'm concerned about the Niners Because I feel as though, even though McAfee's back and I'm glad I got him on fantasy, so I'm glad about that, but he's except for last week, man, he's already made a difference already just being back. But the challenge is that they're one and three in division games and they got Green Bay and buffalo coming up next. Those aren't going to be no easy wins, let's be honest about it. They gotta be near flawless to get into the postseason now. So it's like there's just a a lot going on if they can do that. I mean this is the uh, the third time in four division games that he gave the lead up in the fourth quarter. How are we feeling about a stat like that relative to who's coaching the team? Is he safe? Is he good to go? When you have a lead like that, that's a coaching situation. If it was any other team, we talk about those guys being handed their hats and getting out of here. Why are we not saying that about Shanahan?

Speaker 3: 45:17

Because he's really good. That's why man Okay Shanahan may not ultimately stay with the 49ers over the next few years If they get into some cap trouble and if Ferdy doesn't ultimately show he can win Super Bowl. But for right now he's still so respected and they've won so many games over the past few years and they've been to either an NFC title game or a Super Bowl so many times over the past seven, eight years. It's tough to let go of him.

Speaker 1: 45:45

That's fair. Who has the most infuriating late-game losses man? The Bengals or the Niners? It's happening to both of them. There's a poll question for you who's infuriating you the most? Okay?

Speaker 3: 46:02

why? Why them and not? Anybody and not the niners why?

Speaker 2: 46:04

because, yeah, that and the ravens I mean the bangles could have had the ravens in the very beginning really could add them twice. I mean, uh, the other thing for them missed kicks. You know, scoring a ton of points and still losing. You know when, when the 49ers have looked bad, they've looked bad. Uh, I think, playing off. Like you said, with shanahan, the big thing for him is when he has a defensive coordinator. He trusts they're, they're okay. You know, when he had jameco ryans, when he had robert sala, they were okay. When you try to fill those people in after they get head coaching spots, that's when the troubles happen. The defense isn't playing as well. They do have a ton of injuries. So you know, john lynch understands that as well, um, but you know, for the 49ers it's an anomaly. You know I I am not a cardinals booster by any stretch of the imagination, if you've seen me on the internet at all, but I don't think anybody thought they were going to be the team they are this year.

Speaker 2: 47:02

So then you look at them. You look at the Rams. They've had a ton of problems. They're still in the hunt. Seattle was a middling team, they thought, and they've played Okay. So for the 49ers to have a down year, this was the one that was going to hurt them, because everybody else is bunched together. It's what gives them an opportunity to maybe hit a hot streak and come back. But, like you said, the rest of the season for them is extremely tough and you're going to have to pull out all the stops to get in yeah, I got a few teams I want to talk about, but I'm gonna let uh uh herb jump in on some things.

Speaker 1: 47:31

But I want to talk about atlanta a little bit. I'm gonna talk about chic, about Chicago, the New Orleans Saints, I'm going to kind of jump in a little bit Jacksonville, oh my God and Pittsburgh a little bit, if we can try to get into all that stuff and get your thoughts on it. But if you have an idea about a couple of games, there's one of them right now. All right.

Speaker 4: 47:48

I had to have an observation from the Colts-Jets game and for anybody For anybody that knows me, you know I'm laughing at this demise of the Jets and Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 2: 47:57

So first let me give kudos to the Colts.

Speaker 4: 47:59

Anthony Richardson comes back. You know he has a decent game 20-30, 272 in the air, 32 yards on the ground, two touchdowns, including the game-winning touchdown which the box score will show a four-yard run. But if anybody watching that was a tough run that he made to get the game-winner, so a little bit of redemption for him. Colt's not totally done in the playoff picture and that's great. But you have to look at the Jets. I mean they, you know 27 points one of their best outputs they still lose this game. The general manager gets fired. So if you're keeping score, you know your coach is gone, your general manager is gone. I'm pretty sure by the end of this season the water boy will be coaching a couple games and probably fire him after that's gone.

Speaker 4: 48:43

And then there's reports on they're still debating on whether or not to bring Aaron Rodgers back for next year. So is this what it is? We haven't learned a lesson at all from what's been going on. This season has been a disaster. Your offense and Aaron Rodgers have been so bad that the defense got worse somehow. Nobody knows how that is. There's been reports. Several guys have checked out for the year. They are ready to be done, and it's like, whenever you do this, my dad used to always tell me you know, hey, what are the pros and cons of this decision you're about to make? Okay, the pros of letting Aaron Rodgers walk are numerous. The cons, all the bad things about letting Aaron Rodgers walk. This is the list. Yeah, it's empty. Let him go. It's over. He can walk off into retirement. You can do whatever you want to do. This didn't work. You catered him. You did everything you could. It's done, it's over. Okay, you are the most dysfunctional franchise in the NFL. Let it go.

Speaker 1: 49:52

Facts, facts, facts. I'm here to talk about him going to the Titans. I'm like, oh my God, don't do it. Don't do it. Don't do it to Will Levis. If you don't think he's it, find somebody else, but don't do that to that man. He don't deserve Aaron Rodgers. He doesn't deserve it. Anybody feel sorry for Aaron Rodgers at this point.

Speaker 1: 50:11

You got Gary Wilson out there. You got Braylon Allen, you, you got Braylon Allen and you got Breeze Hall and you got your boy, devontae Adams, come out there with you. Man and I'm forgetting somebody, lazard, and I think it's somebody else too you got everybody you wanted out there and still got your train wreck. This is like Herb said and very astutely put man, this is over and your dad is real wise. And what's the pros and cons of this? I can't think of any cons. By letting Marcos go, I don't see what's a problem here. The GM would be a bad idea too. If you can go ahead and make it a package deal, ship him out by FedEx to get him out of there as well, that would be great. So what are your thoughts? Any thoughts on her takes, on the Colts or the Jets in general?

Speaker 2: 50:57

Well, like you said, I mean the Jets just cut Joe Douglas too. So I mean they cleared the GM out. Woody Johnson says I wanted to bench Aaron Rodgers before and you guys talked me out of it. So he asked all the coaching staff you know well how about you tell me what your guys' actual plan is? So I mean, when your owner's doing that, you already have questions. Like Herb said, I mean I don't feel bad to watch the Jets crumble. It works perfectly for everything I believe in. So I think Rodgers won't retire because he'll want another year to be able to prove he can do something and to make some side money.

Speaker 2: 51:38

But I think the Jets are just a complete fire. I mean there's no redeeming quality right now for them. Their hope is to completely take it and get something else out of this.

Speaker 1: 51:49

You ain't wrong at all. You ain't wrong. Oh man, I'm going to go for the Jets, because there's no point to this man. I'm gonna go for this jessica. There's no point to this. But I think nobody agrees with how the coach went about doing business with anthony richardson. But he's back in there and he looks like he showed us why. What people saw him in the first place. He looked, uh, he looked pretty good, wasn't professional, he looked pretty good. So you guys, uh, are you convinced that he's on the right track? I'm asking about another quarterback right after you answer this one. But do you feel like he's on the right track? Do you feel like Anthony Richardson is going where he needs to be going, to take the Colts to the next level?

Speaker 3: 52:28

Yeah, he had a big boy game on Sunday, no doubt about it. That might have been his most mature game that he had. But he's still, over the next season or two, going to have his dips where he's just all over the place and he's in his own head and he's going to have that. But still, to me, you stick with him, because you can see when he throws and when he runs and he's on, he walks on water almost. He's doing things nobody else can do. So to me, you stick with him. You let him work through some of these bad weeks and maybe eventually he matures through that too. So, um, yeah, that's where I'm out on him.

Speaker 1: 53:00

I don't know how I feel about, because I'm hearing like we talked about bonis, who I thought the giants can take him in a draft and it'd been okay. That's kind of how I felt about him when I saw he was the number one pick for us but we took him. He'd have been good. But you guys are talking about payton's influence on him and how you know you kind of get boosted his confidence in this situation. In indianapolis. Do you feel like richard center has the ability to have that same kind of benefit, or do they have to make a change there in order to get the bone next treatment, the Bo Nix treatment? What do you think?

Speaker 2: 53:39

I mean, I think Ben and I have talked about this before, especially with Sean Payton. I think the key thing is he took Bo Nix and the thing that Payton does well is he takes his quarterback's number one talents and then he designs the offense around that. So he knows Bo Nix is going to throw a good short ball. He's good on completion percentage. So that's what we're going to do. We'll throw a bunch of screens, we'll have a couple of short tosses and then I'll let them pull something out.

Speaker 2: 54:03

The thing with Anthony Richardson and Shane Steichen is the number one thing you have is athletic talent. It's not quarterback skill, it's not a touch, it's not a whole bunch of other things. You know I don't think he was coaching very well at Florida. Uh, I don't think he performed all that well other than amazing athletic talent. And I think the same thing has happened with the Colts. I mean the Colts would have been.

Speaker 2: 54:26

I understand getting them, but they in the years past have just made the wrong selection on their. You know next quarterback to fill in. You know they tried Wentz, they tried. You know people at the end of their careers for them. You know, maybe if you made a run like Atlanta, where you pulled in a quarterback that can maybe not be super athletic, but he's going to get the job done. And then you make a draft pick with Richardson. You know, like Atlanta has kind of set themselves up right now, I think that that would have been the play to make. I don't see Richardson with the Colts long term. I think the fact when he pulled himself out, I think that that puts you in a tough spot with the team. No matter what, regardless of how tough you play from here on out, there's always going to be people that bring that back up and I think it puts him behind the eight ball.

Speaker 1: 55:18

I hope you're wrong on that one, because I don't need them in the draft trying to take a quarterback. We're good. We need to have some time to have that conversation out, so we don't need anybody extra coming in. I feel like he can work his way back. We've got quarterbacks like Rodgers who had a stigma attached to them and they, for the most part, they weather the storm. I think he can do it too. I mean, I think he need to.

Speaker 1: 55:42

If I was him, I would do everything I can to make that happen. I wouldn't be trying to look for another shot, because the grass always looks greener until it ain't, you know, I mean, but I've been thinking about this quarterback right here. How about? How about sam donald? He had three games where he took a precipitous dip in production, to say the least, and he came back. I think it's six touchdowns in two games.

Speaker 1: 56:04

Now, I don't know, I'm not comparing him to Richardson, but there's some things that feel like similarities to me. Like, okay, are you the guy? Because I know that when JJ comes back he's going to get every chance to be that. That's why they picked them so high. But somebody's gonna need a quarterback and I've heard people try to uh mock, trade him to the giants I heard all types of stuff is darnell. Do you guys trust darnell? If your quarter, if your team needed a quarterback right now and you and the one that you have can't play for whatever reason, do you trust Darnold to take over and lead you guys in upward trajectory, so to speak?

Speaker 3: 56:46

For me. No, and I'm not trying to take shots at Sam Darnold. Before the season I probably liked him better than a lot of people liked him. But man, listen, if you give Darnold one of the better play callers in the NFL, which O'Connell is, he's top eight or ten easy and you give him all these weapons and a pretty good offensive line and a defense that's all kinds of crazy aggressive, with Brian Flores pushing all the right buttons, yeah, he'll look pretty good on most weeks. But even then, even then, under the best of scenarios, with the best wide receiver in football, even then he's still going to have two, three, four games a year. And it may happen in the playoffs where he just throws out three or four picks, you know, and you're toast, you are done. You have no chance, you know.

Speaker 3: 57:26

So no, I don't trust him. Especially they're not paying him a whole lot right now. If he were to hit free agency on some team, you know, one or two teams starts bidding up on him, God you know, and you're paying him 30 million dollars a year now. You don't even have as much cap spaces as the vikings are operating under right now. So no, uh, I I would love to bring him in as a quarterback who competes for the starting job with a rookie on a very cheap price. But there's no way I'm paying him any bundle of money to run my team for the next two of the three seasons copy that, shane yeah, I agree with ben on I think Sam Darnold's like a 1a quarterback.

Speaker 2: 57:59

uh, you know, when you need him he can come in, he can score some points for you. I think it also hurt the Vikings defense had a pretty hard drop to Flores and them got pounded on those games that he didn't play well but the defense didn't play well either. So the Vikings on a whole took a drop on those.

Speaker 2: 58:15

Um, but the thing is I've seen Darnold with other, you know Ben brought up, you know a strong offensive coordinator, kevin O'Connell. He was with Shanahan, you know, as a backup, and times when he put in for there he didn't look great with that offense. You know, will he make plays for you? Yes, but I think he's going to still be. He's on that second level. He's not a quarterback that's going to drive an offense for you. Can he lead an offense and kind of keep you while you have a quarterback that's going? Yes, and I think that's exactly what Minnesota thought Until JJ came in there and played as well as he did in the beginning and then got hurt. I mean, I I think if JJ stays healthy they would have started the season with him.

Speaker 1: 58:57

So it makes sense. All right, let's talk a little Baltimore and Pittsburgh. I heard a bunch of chiming on that. It says a lot when talent takes your starting quarterback out on third down in the red zone and brings fields and it says that's kind of a message, don't you think? If you're Russell wilson, what are you thinking about you right now? You're like, okay, we're in the red zone, we're on third down, we gotta have a play right now, or we're kicking a field goal and bob's broken hit it, but we need a touchdown and you sit me down to bring fields in well.

Speaker 2: 59:33

Not only that, then field slides early, you know like you put the more athletic guy in and then he played. He makes the less athletic play, you know. So I I don't know. I mean, tomlin's got a lot of magic. The defense plays well for them in pittsburgh. He's one of the great coaches. He finds a way to win games. But I mean that offense still in and of itself is not great. It doesn't matter which quarterback you're playing with.

Speaker 1: 1:00:06

In the red zone. Wilson was 2-9 for seven yards and a pick in the red zone on that game. So no, if I look at that stat alone, I get why Fields kept him in there longer if that was the case. But I get that. Let's see what Hurd wants to share about Baltimore and the Steelers.

Speaker 4: 1:00:25

What's up everybody. My first observation from this past weekend has to come from the Baltimore-Pittsburgh game. I want to tackle both sides of it real quick. First, for the Pittsburgh side, I like Mark Tomlin as a coach. I do kind of low-key root for that team, but I've been thinking there's just no way they can keep this up with. You know, with offense the way it's being and just try and play strong defense and hold it down. And this is one of those games where they proved me wrong.

Speaker 4: 1:00:53

To win a game like this without scoring a touchdown isn't a compliment. To hold down one of the best offenses in the league and to win a tough game like this, take a hold of the division. Kudos to them, hats off to the steelers. And it feels like mike tomlin has to be in consideration for a coach of the year sort of thing. Um, any team winning with a platoon of justin fields and russell wilson has to have some consideration for team of the year, coach of the year, whatever you want to call it. On the flip side, the Ravens I don't even know where to begin sometimes. These are not the kind of games you can lose. You can't have a front runner for the MVP playing like that, the MVP talk. That's something I want to handle at another time and I know a lot of the blame will go to Justin Tucker, but you've got to blame the coaching staff as well and the way they played. So let me just quick stat in the loss to Kansas city to start this year, derek Henry 13 rushes. The loss of the Raiders 15 rushes. The loss of Cleveland 11,. The loss of the game in Pittsburgh 13.

Speaker 4: 1:01:55

Now look, do these teams have great defensive? Could they have shut down the run? Yes, does that mean you give up on it before you even get started? No, why would you go get a massive human being like Derrick Henry and not run him? That just makes no sense to me. And then you lose a game like this, well, by two points. He's not on the field for the two-point play and I'm not even sure that was an actual two-point play, because that looked horrific. So, baltimore, um, I feel like it has to affect, like I said, lamar's mvp candidacy and the coaching staff. There's got to be some questions at some point like how long can you continue to abandon your identity as a running team anytime? There's a big game excellent stuff heard.

Speaker 1: 1:02:35

That was good stuff, brother. Yeah, before we get into our predictions, they got two teams that they kind of got me in a feel sad. They got me low-key, sad. I'm like to be a fan and I know some. I know a couple of fans. One of them's a really good friend of mine. We've been friends for like 11 years. He's a huge diehard bears fan. Have another but another Buddhist Jags fan that posts all of his feelings on Facebook every chance that he gets.

Speaker 1: 1:03:01

So it was the Bears and the Jaguars. That game against the Packers was such a gut-wrenching that was wow. The Packers were meh. For like three and a half quarters they weren't playing good man, let's get real about it. Love got 11 interceptions. Right now they got bailed out by a blocked field goal by a guy named Carl Brooks. You don't even know who he is. Don't even bother Googling him. You never heard of him before. You don't know him from nowhere. He blocked a field goal. The red zone decisions were just. They were killer man.

Speaker 1: 1:03:37

I'm amazed that the Bears had this in their hand and they couldn't get it. You might want to give Ibo Flux for this, but I don't know if he's to blame. It's hard to come back from that when you lost to a team 11 straight and you had him. You had him by the huevos. It's like nah, you, it's nothing. And the Jags man? I think Peterson is done cooking in Jacksonville man, they gave him 644 yards to Detroit. That's the second most in their whole 30-year history. You got to stick with T-Law. I don't think he's the problem there. You got to give him some more time and maybe a better situation.

Speaker 1: 1:04:19

I think To go into the draft. It'd be like a big, big defeat to say that all the work and the money you put into it was like for nothing. So you probably wouldn't let the coach go, I think. Is Balki already gone already? If not, he shouldn't be far behind. If he's not already gone, I have no idea. But any thoughts on the Bears or the Jaguars? Just in general? If not, no pressure, we can jump into our predictions for the week that we're not going to be here, so we're going to just talk football about it.

Speaker 3: 1:04:51

So the Jaguars are a mess, unfortunately, the defense especially. But nobody's been able to find the key to unlock Trevor Lawrence either Whatever quarterback is or isn't in there ain't nobody found the key to it yet. So you know a lot of big problems there. I'm a little prejudiced here on Trent Baalke, gm of the Jaguars. I have never liked his work on the whole. That's not to say that everything he does is bad, but just on the whole I haven't liked his work.

Speaker 3: 1:05:18

And I've wanted them to kind of let go of him for a couple of years and he's still there, so I've been in favor of him leaving as well is my feeling on it.

Speaker 2: 1:05:30

Well, I mean to kind of tie into what Ben just said. I mean, if you pull this back even more years, I mean Trent Balke is the reason why Jim Harbaugh is not still coaching the 49ers. I mean, and then if you're Chicago, you're watching Jim Harbaugh coach the Chargers when he played for you as a Chicago Bear and you could have had him and the way that he's been able to turn a quarterback around. I think that puts an even deeper knife into the Bears fans, because they have offensive talent. I mean I don't know what DJ Moore is doing. I don't know what happened to where he gets to help somebody up for a contract with the way he's playing this year.

Speaker 2: 1:06:12

But the Bears have offensive talent. They had an OK defense. I don't think they have a great coaching staff. I didn't think they did at the beginning of the year. I would have picked him as one of the weaker ones to begin with um, and I think when you had shane waldron there, when you have to have nfl players come and tell you like, hey, you need to coach us up, that's your. They should have got rid of him. That second to let this offense sit around and let williams take hits just puts you in a terrible spot.

Speaker 2: 1:06:40

I think trevor lawrence, he got hurt with too many coaches. You know, you have these switches around. Team philosophies change. Uh, he's a guy that needs balance. Uh, can he play good quarterback for you? Yes, yes, is he going to make some outstanding plays? That's not really him. I mean, yes, you drafted him high because that was the decision you had to make, but I mean, even at Clemson he's throwing the talented wide receivers. He's got a great run game. What doesn't he have in Jacksonville? Like that's the same problem there that the cupboard is bare for them. The defense has been terrible. I think jacksonville is in even greater trouble because I don't see a quick exit for them. I think there's some changes that can be made for chicago and you can kind of pull yourself out. The problem for them is that, uh, detroit's not going to get any worse, green bay is not going to get any worse. The vikings aren't going to get any worse. So you're still the worst team, even if you make a great improvement.

Speaker 1: 1:07:34

Fair, fair. All right, let's jump into our poll question, then our five-pack. And we still got to hurry, still hanging on with us, to do that five-pack together, all right. So here's what we're going to do for next week, since we're not going to be here for Thanksgiving obviously you got to put the cherries and turkey down, so you're not going to be here For next week's predictions that we would normally do on the show. We're going to do those as poll questions and we'll put them out there next week so you guys can kind of chime in on those or tag me in them. You can comment, commentary what have you, and it'll be ready for us for our next show to be December the 5th, all right, so this week I got all the numbers, all the odds, we're ready to roll. So right up in about 15 minutes, steelers at Browns.

Speaker 1: 1:08:16

Now for you guys that are playing fantasy, you need to understand this. It's going to be inclement weather, to say the least. So there's a very good chance that James Winston is not throwing the ball a lot. So keep that in mind. I'm not saying go get Nick Chubb, I'm saying he's not going to be throwing the ball a lot. You got guys like Elijah Moore and I'm blanking out on somebody. We'll see that.

Speaker 1: 1:08:39

Oh, jerry, judy, you know just kind of beware that. You know kind of temper that with the appropriate amount of caution, because it's not going to be a whole lot of ball throwing, I don't think, in that particular game because of the rain and stuff. So it's going to be a lot of run game stuff going on because of the rain and stuff. So it's going to be a lot of run game stuff going on. I think the Steelers play well in those kind of conditions. That's kind of their thing. Harris and Warren are going to probably be running it up the gut tonight, but Steelers and Browns, I got the Steelers here to win this, definitely taking the points here for sure Probably can be a lot more than that, but what do you guys got?

Speaker 2: 1:09:13

Steelers, browns, I have Steelers as well.

Speaker 1: 1:09:15

Makes sense. Chiefs and Panthers I'm not even looking for upset here. I'm not even going to do it to myself, chiefs. They got them at 11 and a half. I'd be surprised if it's not more than that. I got Mahomes and one of my squads. So you know what? I'm good with that. As long as you throw the ball and throw touchdowns, I'm good with how about you guys? Chiefs, close the board, easy stuff, all right. Titans at Texans. This was a little harder for me because Stroud has been struggling. I'm going Texans here. I like the numbers and Nico's back Go blue. You know it, baby Nico going to go off in this game. I'm ready for it. I'm going Texans here. How about you guys?

Speaker 3: 1:09:50

What do you got Texans as well.

Speaker 1: 1:09:52

Texans, are we? We? Are we just rolling three for three? Uh-oh, it's going to be four for four. We're just going to Lions at Colts. I ain't picking the Colts, not in this lifetime.

Speaker 3: 1:10:03

Detroit. On the way I'm going Lions.

Speaker 1: 1:10:05

I'm not even going to do it. Surprise me and beat the Lions. I don't think it's going to happen. Mike Sheen, this might veer off. We're 4-4 forward. Might veer off. Pats at Dolphins. I'm going Dolphins here, brother. I love you man, but I can't do it. Brother. I'm going Dolphins here. They're starting to click and you can start to see it a little bit. He was getting the ball again. Wallace involved in the offense. I don't think the Pats got nothing for that. I don't think the defense is ready for it I'm taking that seven and a half.

Speaker 2: 1:10:38

Dolphins. How are you feeling, man? I'm going to take the Pats, of course, yeah, hey, I mean, normally this is the point where Rob would, raj, would type in and say the Dolphins are going to Dolphin, so I'll stand behind it. I think if the Pats are going to pull one, this might be the one.

Speaker 1: 1:10:54

Not today Ben.

Speaker 3: 1:10:56

If it were in New England, I might go ahead and pick the Patriots too. It's in Miami, I'll pick the Dolphins here.

Speaker 1: 1:11:00

People better wear this Bucks at Giants. Like I said many weeks ago, I ain't falling for that trap again. I'm not sure if we know that we're tanking. Nobody got the memo, the email. It's nail mail. They haven't got the memo yet. Anybody that played a game I'm picking against them. I ain't falling for it, I'm picking the Bucs here. Mike Davis is Mike Davis. It's not Mike Davis. Mike Evans. He's coming back after a bit of a timeout for injury. He's going to be hot. Baker's going to light him up in the end zone. It's going to light him up in the end zone. It's going to be a big, big, big win for the Buccaneers. I'm taking it though. Cowboys at Commanders.

Speaker 3: 1:11:42

We got a minus 10.

Speaker 1: 1:11:44

I'm going to Commanders here Last week with a bit of a revelation. I'm like okay, wow, did the Eagles have their number or was something else going on? I'm not. Terry McLaurin wasn't really involved in the offense that much. The winning game got limited big time. They caused Daniels to kind of speed up and made him kind of make quick decisions which he could tell he wasn't ready for. He didn't have time to sit in the pocket and think about stuff and check out all his reads. So maybe it's the blueprint for the Cowboys, but I can't see them capitalizing on it. So Maybe it's the blueprint for the Cowboys, but I can't see them capitalizing on it. So I'm going, commanders here.

Speaker 3: 1:12:18

How about you guys Cowboys or Commanders?

Speaker 1: 1:12:19

Commanders as well. Yeah, yeah, commanders, easy peasy Broncos at Raiders Division rivalry. I don't know if you guys feel like I heard you say something about Knicks. I like Knicks. I think he's doing here Pretty easy. I don't have a hesitation about that whatsoever. How about you guys Think the Raiders are going to pull an upset off you seeing that?

Speaker 3: 1:12:40

Raiders can't score off Denver, so I don't know how they're going to win. Yeah, I think it will be tighter.

Speaker 2: 1:12:46

I don't think it's a blowout, but it's Broncos.

Speaker 1: 1:12:49

Hmm, hmm, okay, niners at Packers. This, hmm, okay, niners at Packers. This is one of those games where it's like really it could be a push for me. I'm going to go ahead and go with the Packers here, despite last week's games. I don't think they played very well. Like I said, they were really blocked for three and a half quarters. I don't think they can do that here. I think it's going to cost them. I like McCaffrey, I think he's the bomb, but I don't know. I'm going to say the Packers, but I don't feel great about it. I feel like this could be one of them games where they can end up getting stuff in their show. But who do you like, niners or Packers?

Speaker 3: 1:13:25

I'm in the same boat as you yourself, so I've got. Neither team is playing particularly well, but the Packers have played better the past few weeks. So give me the Packers and a tight one.

Speaker 2: 1:13:35

Yeah, I'm going with the Niners because I think they need it more. Also, I think the weather is probably going to be pretty terrible up there, so if you get an opportunity, it might be worth getting McCaffrey some more carries.

Speaker 1: 1:13:50

That works for me giving the ball the entire time.

Speaker 3: 1:13:52

There you go Hold on Four touchdowns. That's a fantasy. More, oh, we need more than that, okay.

Speaker 1: 1:14:02

The NFL has scored 20 touchdowns in one game. It's never been done before. Get me in the playoffs, all right, cardinals at Seahawks. This one is probably the one I think is the toughest on this schedule for me. I think the odds numbers kind of speak to it too. I don't even know who's going to win this game. Honestly, I got the Cardinals here, but it's only because I don't really trust Geno like that. I heard somebody say earlier that he's playing better. Okay, I'm not super convinced of that because I can't see some of the games. I'm like, wow, he gave more games away than he won. So it's like I'm going with the Cardinals here just because of that. It's not. I think the Cardinals are super great, but they're way better to me than where the Seahawks are right now is my opinion. What do you got, cardinals or Seahawks?

Speaker 2: 1:14:56

I got Cardinals and it's all about Kyler Murray for me on this. Him and James Conner, I think they'll be able to control the ball score points. I don't think Seattle can keep up with them offensively.

Speaker 3: 1:15:07

Tuesday night I pick Seattle. Tonight I'm picking Arizona. I may change my mind again on Saturday night. We'll see.

Speaker 1: 1:15:14

I'm staying right here. Y'all forgive me because my voice is starting to go away, slowly going back into where it was before. Sorry about that. All right, so Eagles at Rams. I'm going Eagles here. This is the kind of game that there could be an upset, you know it. This is that kind of game. It can most definitely happen and the Rams can come inside there and Stanford will have three or four touchdowns to Pacua and it can be a blowout. It can happen. But I don't like the defense that much, especially in the secondary. So I don't know if they can handle Saquon, because he's that second unit. What are they going to do with that? So that's the main reason why I'm saying the Eagles. But you can tell the odd makers don't think it's that big of a differential. I do because of the secondary, where maybe you see something I don't see. I'm going Eagles here. What do you got Eagles?

Speaker 2: 1:16:01

Rams. I think it's Eagles again. I think this one will be close. I think the Rams will try to, you know, stretch it out, but I think the Eagles are going to hit the downhill run game and that's going to be enough to keep the Rams off the board.

Speaker 3: 1:16:17

I'm in the same boat. Rams are very dangerous, but even since they've kind of gotten healthy they haven't kicked it into high gear yet the way I thought they might the Eagles have the past six, seven weeks. The Eagles are just on fire. So give me the Eagles here.

Speaker 1: 1:16:30

All right, same here. All right, and that Monday night game on the 25th is going to be the Ravens at the Chargers. As you can see, the hour makers are not really sure about this themselves, and for good reason. The Ravens should be a juggernaut, but they don't play that way, and the Chargers have been known for something called Chargering, where they have a game in hand and Phillip Rivers knows about this very, very full well because it was happening on his watch too when they had the game in hand and they would give the game up. As a matter of fact, we talked about the Bengals earlier. That's very much what happened there too. They gave the game back to the Bengals on multiple occasions, which is very frustrating to watch. In this situation, I'm going to go with the Chargers here. I could regret that, but I'm going with the Chargers here. What do you guys have, ravens or Chargers?

Speaker 2: 1:17:26

Excuse me, I go with the Chargers as well and I think it really comes back to Herb when he talked about when it comes down to it, you have an offensive weapon and Henry and then you only give him 13 carries against the teams where you need him to have a game. If they do that again against the Chargers, then Jim's super happy and he's going to keep running the ball against them. Also, jk Dobbin I mean he has both of the Chargers. Tailbacks were the tailbacks last year for the Ravens. So I mean I think they're going to have big games. Dobbins has had a great season so far this year. I think the Chargers offense is starting to fire up and I think Justin Herbert has a great game.

Speaker 1: 1:18:06

Fair enough. All right, so we are good to go. We're going to jump into our five-pack and we're going to shut the show down, so we have a nice little extended show. This was fun. I don't know what's going on here, all right. So for you guys that are not aware how we do our five-pack, we've been doing it for a while.

Speaker 1: 1:18:22

A certain person on this panel said that a devious mind made this five-pack. I don't know who he's talking about, but the five teams that we have for our five-pack are the Green Bayers, the cincinnati bangles, the new york giants, the cleveland browns and the jacksonville jaguars five of the challenging teams in the league and our five categories. As always, number one wins their division. Two dead last in their division. Three play in super bowl in the next three years, in full reveal within the next five years, and in the last category of the first round, playoff exit. Before you guys do yours, we're gonna let herb get his in and then we'll hear what you guys have to say all right, it is time for one of everyone's favorite parts, the five pack.

Speaker 4: 1:19:08

Uh, I know everybody's anticipating mine is going to be amazing, so I decided to have a little fun with mine and also give our hosts some love. So it's not going to be as doom and gloom and I took a little couple liberties in here. So the easy one was Cleveland. In the rebuild, deshaun Watson gets tired of all the negative press. He decides to flee the country. Cleveland is now off the hook for everything they owe him. They officially start their rebuild. They are on their way.

Speaker 4: 1:19:39

Jacksonville was easy Last in the division. I just didn't see any other creative things that I wanted to do with that. Jacksonville. Last in the division. Cincinnati catches fire just enough to win. Not to win anything, but to get the last wild card spot and lose in the first round. But because I have Jamar Chase on my fantasy team, he does enough to help me into the fantasy playoffs. So I appreciate you, cincinnati. Then you're out of there.

Speaker 4: 1:20:08

Green Bay only two back of the Juggernaut Lions, whom I love, by the way. So I hope this doesn't happen. But I'm giving Green Bay first in their divisions. They catch fire. Jordan Lovesauce turning the ball over. They catch Detroit. They win the division. That leaves me with the New York Giants winning the Super Bowl. It was our thing. Three years right and then Super Bowl, three years. So this year you get off the Daniel Jones contract. They have the number four pick in the draft. They trade back in the draft and trade back again. They get a whole plethora of picks. They start whoever they want. Next year it could be Coach Daybull for one more year. They're terrible. For one more year they get another huge hoard of draft picks. They nail 90% of them get a couple free agents.

Speaker 4: 1:20:58

Then that next draft class oh, I'm sorry, in this draft class they also in the third or fourth round, they decide to draft a developmental quarterback. They tell them we don't even need you to start this year, we just need you to be great. In about a year or two from now, they either hit on that pick or hit on the draft. Two years from now, boom, catch fire. Dallas hit on that pick or hit on the draft. Two years from now, boom, catch fire. Dallas is on the decline. Jane Daniels decides to go play baseball instead of football. Philly, you know he can't keep it up forever. He falls apart. They win the division. They head to the Super Bowl. Within three years You're New York Giants, mr U. I hope you enjoyed that. That was for you, buddy. All right, that's it for my part.

Speaker 1: 1:21:37

That was awesome. I love it. I'm not far from what he had. I think I'm almost exact. All right, shane Ben, which one of you guys are going to go next with your five-pack? Okay?

Speaker 2: 1:21:49

I mean it's hard to upend what Herb just said.

Speaker 4: 1:21:52

I mean most that I agree with other than some wild, wild Giants history going there.

Speaker 2: 1:22:02

I mean, I picked the Giants. I think they're the ones that are going to be in the full rebuild. I think they've already started that. I think they set themselves up for it. Jacksonville like he said, that's the easy one to pick. For your loss, I think for my surprising one. I think Cincinnati is the one that has a chance to be in the Super Bowl. I think there's some things that can be fixed. The defense does need to pick up but I think out of this group they easily have the best quarterback and I trust Joe Burrow and what he's able to do. Green Bay I picked as the lose in the first round. Like I said, I think, other than Herb's prognostication of all these things falling away the Giants way, I think he was pretty good on his five-pack.

Speaker 1: 1:22:51

Go ahead, ben what you got brother.

Speaker 3: 1:22:53

I got some stuff, brother, you ready.

Speaker 1: 1:22:55

I'm ready, man.

Speaker 3: 1:22:56

All right, let's get the three easy ones out of the way. The Jaguars are dead last in their division. They're not even worth talking about, so we're done with them. The Browns are in a full rebuild within five years. They should be right now, but whenever they start they will be, and the Packers are going to get that first-round playoff exit. Okay, they're going to be in the playoffs, but they're struggling a little bit in some ways and they're just going to run into better teams. So those three teams are easy and they're out. Cincinnati, bengals brother. The Ravens lose five out of their last six. The Steelers lose six of their last seven, including one to Cincinnati. Cincinnati doesn't lose again and they win their division and they go on to win the Super Bowl this year. Wow, wow. This is the fault of the devious mind that puts these little five-pack poles together.

Speaker 1: 1:23:51

So I can't be held responsible for anything that comes out of my mouth here, all right.

Speaker 1: 1:23:57

This is tough man. I don't blame you. All these teams have, I think maybe with the exception of the Packers maybe but they got some severe challenges in a lot of areas. It's really tough to speculate here. I'm going to do the easy ones. Mine is pretty much what you already heard. I've got the uh jack, the jacksonville jaguar dead. Last thing it's gonna be like that for a while. They got a lot of things to adjust and deal with. I don't think a change in coach is going to solve the problems they have. So they got to fix some stuff.

Speaker 1: 1:24:31

Uh, I got cleveland in the full rebuild. I mean, honestly, there's really no way to avoid that, because you got James Winston playing and I love what we've been seeing from him in the past few games or so. But let's be real. You know long-term, when other teams got tape on him, there's nowhere in the world he's going to be out there being a quarterback, even a quarterback 10 in the league. It's not going to happen. So they have to make changes there and get somebody that they can have long term and not just a journeyman. So if any team in here is set for a rebuild, it's really going to be them. Man, they got to do it so many different places. Even looking at running back, I mean, honestly, Nick Chubb, I don't you never know if he's going to come back to where he needs to be at, where he was before, after the surgery. I mean, he had I think it was ACL and MCL, I think it was. So he's you don't know if he's going to ever get back to what he had the explosions he used to have. So these guys are in full rebuild mode.

Speaker 1: 1:25:31

For real, I rebuild more for real. I had Green Bay winning the division and I had I had the. Well, my thought I wanted to put Cincinnati in the Super Bowl the next three years, but I don't know if, if Higgins is going to be there. I almost doubt it. So if he's not there, it changes. It changes everything, because now you're relying on Chase and everybody's going to be recognizing you know what you're throwing to Chase, because you don't have anybody else. So that's the main reason why I said I can't put them in the Super Bowl in the next three years, because their team is going to be dramatically different. Matter of fact, I think in the next two years, by default, I got the Giants in there. Honestly, worse things have happened. I don't know how it's going to happen. I don't have a scenario.

Speaker 1: 1:26:19

The one that Herb had was good, but the idea of tanking for another year, it's not music to my ears. I don't want to hear that. I feel like we have too much good talent that we're wasting by the idea of tanking for another year. I mean guys like Lawrence and Thibodeau and these guys that got on the defensive side, and then guys like Hyatt. We can do stuff around that. I don't know if Stanton's going to come back, because a big contract with him isn't the best idea. Probably let Schubert go.

Speaker 1: 1:26:48

So to me, getting some guys to come in and just ball out, maybe out of the draft, that elevates our draft stock. It elevates our stock in the NFL because look at our division, Look at where the other teams are going right now. Even the Eagles, you know they're on top of the division right now. Look how they're playing, Look how they look. You know what I'm saying. So this is like the most vulnerability we had in a long time. So, and like I said, if we had a quarterback that was competent, we have a winning record right now. We have a .652 that's playing out here right now just because of the quarterback. So I don't think our margin of error is a lot. Our difference is a lot smaller than I think. So I'm going with that out of the list that we had. I didn't have much of a choice, but I think it's pretty good. All right. So we are at the end of the show. Man, this was fantastic.

Speaker 3: 1:27:43

We didn't do the last of my five pack. Man, you missed the best part. I didn't touch New York man. I'm surprised you missed them.

Speaker 1: 1:27:51

This was the best part.

Speaker 3: 1:27:53

I'll spend 30 minutes on this just for you, man. All right, I got listen. I got the plants playing in the Superbowl next three years and I got two ways for them to do it, and neither one involves taking this year or next year you ready.

Speaker 1: 1:28:10

I'm so ready, all right.

Speaker 3: 1:28:13

Door number one assuming Dable's gone, okay, you hire Ben Johnson to come be your head coach. He's going to need a defensive coordinator. You either get him Matt Eberflus or Robert Sala, they'll both be available. He's going to need a quarterback. You get him Shador Sanders, and they're going to light it up. And then you trade back into the first round and you get Ashton Jaunty from Boise State as your running back and you win the Super Bowl in the next three years. Okay, that's door number one, all right. Door number two Door number two you hire Brian Flores as your head coach. Brian Flores needs an offensive coordinator. So you either get Clint Kubiak, who's young but still growing, or you get Shane Steichen, because he might be available he ain't going to be head coaching baby and then you get Cam Ward as your quarterback and you still trade up into the first round and get Ashton Jonte. Either one works man, there's a Super Bowl in the next three years.

Speaker 1: 1:29:08

Wow, not bad. Shane is shaking his head. Shane, why do you hate Kubiak ahead? Shane, why do you hate this?

Speaker 2: 1:29:13

thing. I mean this has just turned into a Giants fan. You know I can use some unsavory terms, but this is a fever dream. This is a fever dream.

Speaker 1: 1:29:27

Wait a minute, man. How many? You've been on the show for a minute now. I go out of my way to not talk about the Giants because I don't want to explode. And then three people pick the Giants to win the.

Speaker 2: 1:29:38

Super Bowl You've got to be kidding me, Yusuf.

Speaker 1: 1:29:44

We talk about the past when we talk about the Giants on this team, on this show.

Speaker 2: 1:29:48

I mean Ben gave you two answers.

Speaker 1: 1:29:50

Both of them.

Speaker 2: 1:29:51

You're going to get a Heisman Trophy winner. Possibly You're going to get a Heisman Trophy winner. Possibly You're going to get the best running back in NCAA and then you're going to get one of the top two quarterbacks. Either way is the way Ben set that up for you.

Speaker 1: 1:30:01

I don't know how we're going to do that, but that's just the scenario. I don't know how we're going to come back and get John. I don't know how I mean.

Speaker 2: 1:30:07

Herb gave you like 13 different ways that things were going to happen and that the Giants would end up with 24 draft picks. I mean, at least that's. I can't believe it. There's no way that I thought that I would be the lone person that didn't pick the Giants to win a Super Bowl out of this five pack. I thought it was obvious, Wow.

Speaker 1: 1:30:28

Who else do you like out of that list? I'd say the.

Speaker 2: 1:30:32

Cincinnati who I took, who Cincinnati's in a better spot than the Giants are.

Speaker 1: 1:30:41

To win a Super Bowl.

Speaker 2: 1:30:43

It's easier to win. I think, other than Kansas City. It's easier to win the AFC than it is to win the NFC right now.

Speaker 1: 1:30:50

How can they get past teams like Kansas City?

Speaker 2: 1:30:54

I don't think the Giants can get past themselves right now.

Speaker 1: 1:31:04

Oh man, oh yeah, little Face.

Speaker 2: 1:31:07

Daniel Jones is your four-string quarterback playing back-up safety.

Speaker 1: 1:31:12

Did I invoke your name in this? Forever again in your life, okay.

Speaker 2: 1:31:16

Tony DeVito is not going to let this happen. He's not here, he's going to play great these next couple of games. This will crash your whole quarterback theory.

Speaker 1: 1:31:26

I can't believe it. I'm waiting for the draft, man. I mean, what do you want, man?

Speaker 2: 1:31:31

I'm going to go make green bean casserole. This is ridiculous.

Speaker 1: 1:31:36

Don't you show it.

Speaker 2: 1:31:37

I'll put that mushroom soup in it.

Speaker 1: 1:31:39

I'm going to drag you all over Twitter. If you put it on there, you better not show a picture of it. I know that.

Speaker 2: 1:31:45

You guys are bad cranberries, I think.

Speaker 1: 1:31:47

I think everybody's liquored up on this one, I'm going to drag you. You've never been drugged, don't you do it? Don't you do it? What do you want us to do, man? We're already ready for a draft. We have no choice. How do you want us? You think our team is that bad right now. Yes, I do not think they're three years away, I mean switch it around.

Speaker 2: 1:32:10

Houston Say if we put the Patriots, I'm not picking the Patriots to do that. You know, like I said, I think the Giants still have a lot of worries. I think, Daniel not having Daniel Jones would get that, but that's not getting you a Super Bowl.

Speaker 1: 1:32:28

I'm not, I'm not saying that, but I mean how okay, oh man, look at, look at, look at what's been happening. We will be going into extra innings talking about this, but you drag it inside of me. I didn't want to do all of this. I tried, man, look, I know we got problems, especially in the secondary. We got issues, but they can be solved. They can be turned on a flip. It can be, they're solvable. We'll need three years to solve the most secondary Matter of fact. I don't think we need three years to solve the quarterback situation. What we're seeing is elementary stuff not happening when Daniel Jones' name was. Just elementary stuff I'm talking about as close as you and I are on this screen, is where the wide receiver is to the quarterback and Daniel Jones can't see him and he's open. It's that kind of stuff. It's simple stuff.

Speaker 2: 1:33:21

If we have I don't disagree with you. I mean I think Daniel Jones is terrible, but I thought he was terrible coming out of Duke too. Like, I mean I don't think he was the right draft pick to begin with, but I mean I didn't think he was terrible, I didn't think he was the I wouldn't. What I'm saying is you're not winning a super bowl with just an okay quarterback anymore. That's, that's the problem in this whole thing. You need a premier quarterback and I don't think either cam ward or shador sanders is going to be the premier quarterback that you're going to need to get that victory okay, is that all you need a premier quarterback?

Speaker 2: 1:33:58

in the nfl right now.

Speaker 1: 1:33:59

I think if you don't have one you don't win the bangles got four wins correct and the bangles didn't win a super bowl premier four wins, your quarterback, yeah, well you get to the playoffs, you need a premier quarterback. Tee Higgins is a man. He got two weapons out there premier and they got four wins to their name right now.

Speaker 2: 1:34:25

I will take.

Speaker 3: 1:34:25

Cincinnati to have a better record next year than the Giants have, I stand behind it.

Speaker 2: 1:34:33

You can take all the shots at me you want.

Speaker 1: 1:34:36

Me, I ain't taking no shots. I'm just asking you what you're coming for. Ain't no shot taking? I don't even do that kind of stuff. I just ask questions and then look at you I ain't taking no shots. Big green baiting, put them in the Super Bowl. But I just don't see it Exactly like I said it's the same thing with San Francisco, like San.

Speaker 2: 1:34:56

Like I said, I mean it's the same thing with san francisco, like san francisco. The last couple years brock purdy. Not a premier quarterback, when it came time where you needed to win a game, didn't win the game. You know it's. It's to the point to where you do need a quarterback that's going to be able to pull things out for you, and I don't think that the two quarterbacks that you're going to draft this year are going to turn that around astronomically for you.

Speaker 1: 1:35:15

Not by itself.

Speaker 2: 1:35:16

I agree with you defensive back-wise because, if you do like, I think the number one problem defensively for Philadelphia was their defensive backfield. You bring in a great corner, you bring in a slot back and then all of a sudden now you're capable of playing defense in the back end. That's helped them, but I don't think they're going to win a Super Bowl either.

Speaker 1: 1:35:38

I mean because we had. I mean, let's be honest, we had a place where we're going to not only be in the draft, but we're going to also be able to get a little bit more money in our hands. I mean, so free agency is now off the table for us too. We can bring in some vets. I mean, we can remodel this thing where it's not even a reboot. We can just pull some pieces and we got a different situation. Our defense is not the same.

Speaker 2: 1:36:04

I think if you switch GMs, I'd be more apt to think the Giants have a possibility than they do right now. I think they've made bad decisions lately and I think that that's what's going to hurt you. I don't think you're going to be able to come back from that.

Speaker 1: 1:36:14

I ain't doing that, okay. Any closing thoughts. We are in OT, but I'm glad because we're going to miss you guys. Next week you guys will be with your families and stuff and doing things. We'll be doing some stuff as well. Going two weeks is going to be rough for me. Any closing thoughts for our people out here before we close out.

Speaker 3: 1:36:35

Enjoyed it everybody. Thank you all.

Speaker 1: 1:36:38

Ben, you need to work on your schedule and be here more often, all right.

Speaker 3: 1:36:41

I appreciate it man.

Speaker 1: 1:36:42

Yeah, and be on tap right. I mean Shane's here doing his thing. What's your deal?

Speaker 3: 1:36:47

I don't know man.

Speaker 1: 1:36:48

What do you got going on? I'm just messing around. Any closing thoughts, Shane?

Speaker 2: 1:36:56

No, I mean, just like Ben said, enjoyed it again. Happy Thanksgiving to everybody, since we won't be around.

Speaker 1: 1:37:02

Happy Thanksgiving to you.

Speaker 2: 1:37:03

Enjoy watching the Giants of Tommy DeVito and Cooper Rush just play an outstanding game. For you to take a nap at I'm busy that day.

Speaker 1: 1:37:12

I got something to do. I'm busy that day. Get out of here. All right, Forget about it. I'm busy that day. I got something to do. I'm busy that day. Get out of here. All right, Forget about it.