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Go for it. What's up y'all? Welcome back. T3 is back in the house after a little bit of a break, about to have another one, so we are having fun out here. Already. We're excited. Herbs in the house Getting rat lip in the money spot. Ben Parker at the wing I love it. I know it's Mr Union. We are so grateful to have you guys back with us. We're having fun today. This is going to be our last show for the year, so hope this doesn't sound weird, but we're going to let it all hang out. We're going to just have fun tonight. Let it go where it's going to go. No real script tonight. We're going to just have fun. But how are you guys doing? You guys had a nice little extended break. Hope you don't have a turkey-nesia still going on. How you guys doing.
Speaker 4:You good, Everybody good over there. Still good man Surviving.
Speaker 3:Making it sound as cookies.
Speaker 4:Oh boy, here we go, and I believe you had agreed to send out some of those cookies and I don't see anything here. I'm a little upset already to start the show.
Speaker 2:No, I mean the Amazon guy already left and there was no cookies in hand.
Speaker 4:I mean the Amazon guy already left and there was no cookies in hand. I mean it's fine, no jealousy here at all, that's fine.
Speaker 2:It's interesting how people make promises on the air, they don't keep.
Speaker 3:It's all good.
Speaker 2:He's like okay, here's George right here. Well, we got the whole East Coast lockdown over here. No West Coast action on this show right now, but it's all good though. We got it on lock man, all right. So we got a lot to get into and we're going to have some fun just talking NFL Now, since we missed a week or so, was there anything from the week that we missed that you guys feel worthy of talking about? If not, would you jump into last week's slate of games? What we saw how you guys feeling Take your time, baby, we got all night.
Speaker 4:What was that? Oh, the Chargers and Chiefs, their little escape, and the Bills and Rams. I think those are the two biggest or maybe impactful and most fun from the weeks that we missed, but yeah you guys.
Speaker 2:OK, I know she may have a comment, but were you surprised by the Bills and the Lions game with that?
Speaker 4:No, that's the you talk about from the. What was that last week? I was thinking, two weeks ago, I guess.
Speaker 2:If you got, if you got it, let's go. Two weeks ago.
Speaker 4:I guess if you got, if you got it, let's go two weeks ago. Yeah, well, just, it's funny how, in a loss, it helps your MVP candidacy. But uh, josh Allen was still amazing in that game, you know. But you have to worry about the Bills defense, like you can't continue just trying to do shootouts every week if we're combining the last two. But um, did not see the Rams putting up 44 on them All of a sudden.
Speaker 4:That's one of those teams I just can't figure out. Yeah, I mean, I can't figure out their division, I can't figure out their team. Like I don't. I mean, and you're going to get one of those, like either them or Arizona, but then Seattle will come up and win a game Like I don't know what's going on over there, right, and the Rams are a team that you could see. You know, first round, like you said, put up 40 or maybe put up seven. You just have no idea that may be one of the scariest wildcard games is whoever comes to that division, and particularly the Rams, like that's just. I clearly picked the Bills that week, so I was shocked at the outcome, but I never thought it would have been like that.
Speaker 2:The defense has been up and down. It feels like it's been all year. It hasn't really been a surprise. Von Miller is supposed to be a guy who would be kind of leading the charge.
Speaker 4:Is he still playing?
Speaker 2:Oh, I was not paying attention. Yes, he is. He has on his invisibility cloak so you can't really see him that much. He is still playing. You can barely see him, but the defense hasn't been looking good man. So that Rams number not really shocked by that. I'm shocked that they are.
Speaker 4:You're not shocked by 44 points by the Rams.
Speaker 2:No, pooking the cool and cutting on the field together. They are awesome. And Kyron Williams bitch my three-headed monster. They give Stafford that Watch. When you guys are not injured and they're playing Staffers' numbers always skyrocket. No, I'm not shocked by that whatsoever. I'm shocked.
Speaker 4:Okay, so their other score is 12 points, 21 points, 20 points, 28 points, 15 points, 26 points, 30,. Like 44 is still shocking. I don't care what you say, 44 is still shocking. You can't be like oh, 44. Yeah, I assumed that was coming.
Speaker 2:No, I mean, I like pukunikawa a lot. I wish I would have drafted him.
Speaker 1:I understand that but 44 is still shocking you look at their high game, where I said I thought it was going to be tight. But there's no way. I thought it was going to be 40 points for each side and then tight. I thought that was going to end up being like a three point game.
Speaker 1:But uh, the big thing that sticks out for me talking about, like when you talk about that turnaround and then the bills versus detroit. The thing that sticks out for me again another big scoring, like herb said, but I don't even know who's left to play defense for detroit anymore. Like, literally, if you started at any point for them on the defensive side of the ball, you're injured and you've been injured for a couple of weeks now, like it. It is crazy for them to still be competing at the level they are. And I mean they got Josh Allen there's no other way about it Like he right now is playing at a level above all the other quarterbacks, except for maybe Lamar Jackson, with being able to A just score points when he wants to and even when plays aren't working. He's just going to come up with something in the huddle, schoolyard it and get another touchdown for the Bills. Yeah.
Speaker 4:There's two different ones. I don't know if we're talking about the Detroit part of it, but this is such a Detroit thing to have one of your best teams in your best seasons and everybody on your team get hurt, and that'd be what derails your championship season. So I feel bad for Detroit. Man, I don't, I don't know that you can continue to lose. And they're not just losing. You know, like hey, the guy's on kickoff coverage. You know, like Hutchinson earlier in the year, that's a big loss. Montgomery, that's going to be a huge loss, you know. And then several defensive players in between. I just feel bad for them.
Speaker 2:Let me ask you about that, because we talked about I think we talked about Detroit. Every year They've been a lot better than previous years, obviously, actually. So we're talking about them and we talked about their coaching and some of the decisions that gets made, especially in late games or in late season games. How are you guys feeling right now, really briefly, about their chances to do what's predicted for them, to actually win a super bowl? I mean, just go to it, but to actually win it. How you guys? I don't mean just go to it, but to actually win it. How do you guys think? I don't really feel great about it anymore. I thought it was always a possibility. I know it's a shame they picked him to win it all, but I don't feel good about it. The defensive part, yeah, but also the coaching, some of the decisions that gets made late in games. I'm concerned about it. But how do you guys feel? Do you feel the same, a little bit lesser than before, or you're totally out on them? How are you guys feeling?
Speaker 3:I still feel pretty good about it, but not as good as I did two weeks ago. Like you said, it's just those defensive injuries are devastating. Now there's a chance they may get Hutchinson back as early as, say, the NFC title game. That's on the table right now, if possible, but still you've got to make it. I mean, who's to say they don't lose the round before? I still give them maybe top two or three teams chances, because there's not a team out there that doesn't have some kind of blemish or concern. But, man, you know, two or three weeks ago they were my favorite.
Speaker 3:I know they had it in kind of lockdown and now it's wide open yeah they're.
Speaker 4:They're in a spot right now where they they might not even win their own division, you know, and that's already tough, you could possibly lose the first round by that way and all the injuries to defense. I was like, all right, this sucks. Well, the offense is gonna have to win some shootouts. Losing montgomery is really gonna impact your. You know I love gibbs but I love him as the change of pace and the balance that those two had. I don't like him as the now he's getting maybe 20, 25 carries. I don't like that position for him.
Speaker 2:I heard about Hutch, but then I think about Christian McCaffrey. That's what I think about. That's what comes to mind immediately. I watched him come back from injury. He expected him to come back and do what he did before. It doesn't always feel reasonable with these kind of injuries. So for him coming back, it's like you expected him to save the day. I don't know that's a good expectation, but go ahead. What was next? Yeah, if you rely on somebody who came back from that kind of injury to help you, you're barking up the wrong tree, quite literally.
Speaker 4:I would say really injury too, though, to your point Like, and just to miss that much time the first time you come back. You don't want it to be a high-pressure game, you don't want it to be like a snap count kind of game. You know, third week of the season, you know it.
Speaker 3:Definitely don't want it to be the playoffs.
Speaker 4:I feel, bad for Detroit.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you see, like it's always something. You know, it seems like it's always something. I didn't want to ignore the comments, but we're having fun talking about Detroit, what we got in the box today. Big Roger in the house good evening sir. Good to see you. Well, good to hear from you. West Coast Wins in the house how you doing, wim, so nice to hear from you. We missed you. Kj's in the house Good, good evening. Merry Christmas and happy holidays to you, all our faithful folks out here today. We appreciate it so much. All right, so what have we got from two weeks ago? Anything else? Because, honestly, that week was a blur. We had a freshman who actually played. That's how it was for me. I saw stuff, but I didn't see stuff. It was that kind of situation. Anything else from that week that was noteworthy that you guys want to get into, any events? If not, we can jump into last week and see what we are with that. Anything from last week?
Speaker 4:You might be interested to know, the Bills hadn't given up more than 28 points before the last two weeks, so saying that their defense has been awful all year is also not accurate either.
Speaker 2:I'm just sitting here waiting for it. I'm like if Von Miller's going to be spearheading the defense and he's playing the way he is right now, I feel like anything's going to happen. So I'm just sitting here waiting for it to happen. So when I say I ain't surprised, yeah, I wasn't I'm like, forget the number. I'm talking about the defense having a lapse.
Speaker 2:We talked about it in the past. Was it two years or three years with the Bills? I don't remember which one. It was either two or three years. They were up and down almost every single game. The game they should have won, they lost. The game they should have lost, they won. It was that up and down Offensively, things are better.
Speaker 2:They solidified the slot with Shakir. I mean, he's the number one guy he's doing that. You got guys like Johnson and Mack Hollander. That's kind of just coming through and helping and doing a great job of it. But the defensive part it's like there's always a lot of gaps and voids in there. So we'll see if they can pick it up going into the next couple of games. It's going to be really important, especially even though the Pats are not. They're a divisional opponent, so they definitely want to win that, but it should be easier to handle, hopefully. But all right. So games from last week highlights what jumped out. All right, so games from last week highlights what jumped out. I know we had the Eagles and the Steelers, Packers and Seahawks. Of course the Bills and Lions game was obviously one of those as well. What jumped out from?
Speaker 3:last week that kind of hit you. Yeah, I'll go ahead and start that with the Denver Broncos. I mean it's not a new story at this point, right, but here they are. They're really just kind of starting to win these games that they're supposed to win by pretty significant amounts. Now I mean you know, they're just not the sweet story anymore. They're a legit team. Now. You know they're not going to rock through the AFC on the way to the Super Bowl or anything like that, but this is a legit playoff team now. And you know, bowl or anything like that, but this is a legit playoff team now.
Speaker 3:And myself and a lot of other people included at the start of the season just didn't see that happen. They said, hey, maybe Sean gets a little bit going here with Bo and maybe they have some great wins and that's it. No, this is a legit team here. Nobody wants to play them right Now. Again, they're still the sixth best team in the AFC, probably, but they're a legit playoff team. They did a good job in the second half against the Colts and the Colts shot themselves in the foot as well during that game. But you know it's been weeks now that we've seen Denver just really continue to improve on offense to go along with that good defense they've already had.
Speaker 4:Yeah and you're ahead of schedule now. But you also kind of justify the eating the whole Russell Wilson contract and getting this good this quick. And you're playing with house money and we've seen last year. You know Green Bay catches fire at the end as a seven seed and wins a game. So they're probably still teams you don't want to play in the playoffs. A rookie quarterback with nothing to lose in your first game, like you have no idea what's going to happen, you know you in your first game, you have no idea what's going to happen. You lose in the first round, you're fine, you win a game. That's great. That's a good point.
Speaker 2:Denver's in a great spot, staying in that same division. I've been following them since 1984, but the Chargers they let the Bucs come into their house in a home game, gave up four touchdowns to Baker Mayfield, 117 yards to Mike Irvin, 159 yards and two touchdowns to Mike Evans, and they had almost no defense to speak of and no running game. We knew that when Dobbins went out it would be a problem. But Gus Edwards has 23 yards. I don't think nobody even came close to that. I think he was the leader. He had eight carries and 23 yards. I don't think nobody even came close to that. I think he was the leader. He had eight carries and 23 yards.
Speaker 2:So they don't have a run game and the defense that was supposed to be one of the top defenses throughout the year has kind of fallen through. I don't know where they are. I can check the stats. I don't know where they are now, but they can't be in the top five now. So they came inside and inside there let the Bucs run all over them and he's going to be a contender, at least second in the division behind the Chiefs, and it doesn't seem to be that way. They're back in third, where they were before and they have all these new additions and a new coaching staff Disappointing, to say the least.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I'm surprised Like no points in the whole second half too. It's just, you know, tampa Bay scoring is maybe not always a shot, just because Baker when he gets hot. I mean, earlier this year we had Evans and Godwin. They were, you know, fringe MVP candidates, so I get that part of it. But to your point, yeah, like you just, and at home you can't have a no show like that, you can't get blown out like that, like you said, with the fringe and with with Denver kind of coming up behind you too as well. That's a game you got to get really, or at least look, competitive in.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think the other thing about that too is if that doesn't show you how much that Chargers defense has helped, when that offense is running the way that Harbaugh wants it, when you don't have a run game and those guys end up out there three downs and back out there and like her, but like baker, mayfield was all over the place in that game. You know, um, he's hot this year. You know it's continuing. He's. He's really had a resurgence in tampa bay once. I've given him the shot, um, but I think, like you said, without having dobbins and being able to control the ball and eat some clock and give some time, they just got handled in every way. Like you said, if it was just the defensive backs, you'd say that, but Bucky Irvin just plowed through them, had no problem with what was going on.
Speaker 1:Tampa Bay looked like by far the better team, which I wouldn't have said in the very beginning when those two teams matched up, and I think that's where you have to watch out. Um, that's another thing where you know your best defensive player, um, for the chargers, you know is in your defensive backfield and if he's got to cover three guys you're you're in trouble. The pass rush with bosa and mac up front, is not getting the same type of rush it needs. And I mean you mentioned Von Miller. That's the same thing. I worry about the Bills in the playoffs. If you can't get a pass rush and you let some of these high-end quarterbacks with enough time, they're going to get touchdowns and it's going to be hard for you and that's the biggest worry for me. I think that's one of the other teams that showed up when you're talking about Philadelphia versus Pittsburgh. I wouldn't want to play Philly's defense right now.
Speaker 1:Coming into the back half of the year, they're starting to pick it up. They play real well in the back, which helps you to get pressure because you can mix some things up. Running game for them has been strong. It seems as if Hurts and Brown are are now gonna hug each other after every touchdown from here on out. Who knows? But um, I think the Eagles now especially. Like Kurt mentioned it, if you're Detroit and you end up not getting your number one seed and not winning your division, uh, you're now in trouble. If you've got to travel, you know it looks bad for them.
Speaker 4:And how crazy is that division for Detroit to be doing what they're doing and still be within a stone's throw of third in the division? This has got to be one of the crazier situations I think I've seen.
Speaker 2:Yeah this is nuts. I have a lot of questions about this, but I want to ask you guys, because of the expectation that came in with Coach Harbaugh and the new system and the new everything, as a matter of fact, they went and got two running backs from the same team. He told me his plan wasn't all this. Like Shane mentioned about the emphasis on the run game, so far do you think the experiment is a success or a failure? Based on what we've seen up to today in the run game, so far do you think the experiment is a success or a failure?
Speaker 3:Based on what we've seen up to today. Yeah, no, you're talking about the Chargers, right, Both with Harbaugh and the new running backs and everything I like it, man. I had them going 9-8 and barely getting into the playoffs, so you know you dial it back four weeks ago.
Speaker 3:They're lighting it up doing even better than that. Well, even though they've fallen off, they're still sitting about where I wanted them to be here. Carball doesn't even have his guys in there yet. He barely dipped his toe in the water for personnel this offseason. It's going to take him another season or two to even get the people he really wants in there.
Speaker 3:I love it. I love what they're doing. I love the direction they're taking. The defense itself already just has a way better attitude and efficiency to it than it ever did under Staley, who was supposed to be the defensive guy right. So I really really like the way this Chargers team is handling itself, even though we've seen it fall off. And listen. I hate to blame injuries, but the Chargers have been inflicted with injuries just like everybody else. You've got Will Disley, the tight end, going down. I've already mentioned the running back. Quentin Johnson was in and out earlier in the year, and then Ladd McConkie, who's their best receiver now by far, was also banged up with shoulder and knee injuries. So that really starts to take a toll on a team that was already kind of borderline in terms of talent anyway. So me, I'm a huge, huge fan of what the Chargers are doing and what I think they'll be next year.
Speaker 4:Yeah, and the fact that you say Ladd McConkie is the best and he's a rookie tells you a lot about the shift in personnel for that team, so I don't know what I expected from them. But I would agree that they're ahead of I mean they're still eight and six. You know they're still the seventh spot and two games up, I guess. I think on the Colts they're probably firmly in the playoffs. I think it's a success and it can only get better for them from here. As he gets more, you know better personnel in there and you still got Herbert back there quarterback, so at least you've got probably the most important position filled.
Speaker 2:Well, before Shane answers the question question, let me provide some perspective. Their best wide receivers were keenan allen, who I think played 11 games the last 10, 11 games the last time he was there, and mike williams, who got bounced around to two teams since he left and he was easily a wide receiver three or wide receiver four on that team. Guys like Palmer and somebody else's name I'm blanking out on were ahead of him in the depth chart, so they didn't have it going on in wide receivers. They didn't need to do a lot of things to get that picked up. Our lab of conquies have been doing great outside of the injuries, but they need to do a whole lot more. I'm sure they will. But go ahead, shane. I mean like you said the thing is like what's that?
Speaker 2:Why are you using the cloaking device?
Speaker 1:The cloaking device.
Speaker 2:Are you hiding your ID?
Speaker 1:The thing for me for the Chargers really comes down to, like Ben said, I had them like 9-7. I thought they'd get in the playoffs and that's a big rush from where they were before. Um, yeah, I think also, like ben os mentioned, you know, getting a chance to get some of his guys in there. Uh, change that about around a little bit. But I also think, like he's looking right now and he sees blake coram sitting in the same locker room when they're not playing those games and he'd love to have a back like that.
Speaker 1:I think Dobbins had a great game, but this is a guy that gets injured Like that's the same reason why he didn't work out with the Ravens. It wasn't because he wasn't talented, it wasn't because he wasn't running well. He just gets hurt and that's so when you put the offense on him, you don't really have somebody else. That's a game-breaker, like Gus Edwards. Again, like you said, a couple of rushes gets you yards, but he's not that release back. I think that's something they're going to be looking for in the draft. But if I'm a Chargers fan, I'm happy with the way everything's going. I don't have any problems on my team. I don't have people giving up, my quarterback isn't worried for his life. Every single day I've got two young tackles.
Speaker 4:He didn't say every single down, he said every single day, like something else is going on in this man's life. I mean last year, I think.
Speaker 1:Herbert was thinking about going back to med school Like there's got to be easier ways for me to make this money was probably what he was thinking um, because he was just getting beat up. And then I think they've changed that around. You know, I'm I'm going to be a harbaugh guy until he does something to make me change that. I think he does a great job. I think he maximizes the talent can he wear on people? It's shown that that sometimes happens, but I think he wears more on the gm than he does on great job. I think he maximizes the talent Can he wear on people? It's shown that that sometimes happens, but I think he wears more on the GM than he does on his players. I don't see a lot of players go against him.
Speaker 1:I'm down with that, I mean the one that he's against was Trent Balky, and let's see how well that's going for the Jaguars.
Speaker 4:And winning usually clears off Exactly.
Speaker 2:I'm down with them. I ain't down with them, khakis, though I'm sorry, I just can't do that part, but that's why I throw the line. I don't even wear my clothes, but anyways, I got a lot of questions about the NFL and I'm just kind of firing with you guys. Any other games stood out.
Speaker 3:I will say one of y'all mentioned the Eagles-Steelers game as well. That really should have been a close game, but I was looking for one of those teams maybe to show a little muscle and the Eagles ultimately did that, you know. And Vegas oddsmakers look at the Steelers right now and they don't see a Superbowl contender. They've got Pittsburgh back around maybe eighth or so with long shot odds. And they look at Philly and they see, uh, you know, second favorite basically right now at the moment, and that kind of sort of showed up in the game. And there are still questions about the Steelers' offense, even though they've been putting out a lot of points the past five or six weeks. You still watch them and that running game isn't explosive and the passing game when Pickens isn't in there, is also getting choked up a little bit.
Speaker 3:So you know I hate to put too much on one game, right, but still, just looking at them over the past several weeks. You look at Pittsburgh, even though the record's great and Tomlin's amazing, they're just not quite there yet as a contender for me, and Philly kind of seemed to show that this past week. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Herb and Shane. They've discussed this many times in regards to the Steelers' offense. Check this out now Both of their defenses were skillful enough to nullify each other's best running attack. I think Najee had 14 yards and Saquon had 65 yards, so they took care of business on that end of things. Like you said, on the offensive side, that was a problem. I mean Calvin Austin III, who, honestly, I've watched the Steelers whatever they show him on TV, which is pretty often. I don't know who that is. I've seen him in one game he had 65 yards and nobody else in the wide receiver room had more than 25 yards on the entire team. So you already know what's going to happen here.
Speaker 2:Like I said, herb and Shane, they've talked about Pickens and the downfield threat that they need in him and others as well, and this game showed they don't have it and Pickens is not there. They are really, really in trouble. You can't have a league guy have 65 yards total. That ain't going to get it, baby. That's kind of what happened. That's what's happening right here. It's bad because we even talked about I think it was like about a month or so ago we talked about how he don't like to block it and go down and feel some other stuff that you know Pickens doesn't like doing. But what kind of leverage does he have now he's out and they look really bad offensively. What that man going to be hard to handle when it's time for a contract discussion.
Speaker 4:There's a reason why they were late to every freaking wide receiver in the off season and all the way up to the trade deadline. There's a big reason for that, and a, you know it's yeah, and then and whiffed on every single one.
Speaker 4:It wasn't to get rid of pickings, but it was to have anybody on the other side, cause there's, with pickings, yeah, you, you get a lot of the downfield threat, but you also get the I might get a personal foul and get kicked out the game on the next play too as well. So you know it's a mixed bag. You know you have no idea. This guy, what did he get? A personal foul for throwing a football at somebody on the sideline, like what are we doing? So you don't want that. You want the talent as your number one, but you don't want the attitude as your number one. So, yeah, it's like you said, shane and I have talked a lot about it. I just I love Pittsburgh for all the reasons that have been mentioned, but the offense, just like. I just don't feel like it's a Super Bowl caliber offense.
Speaker 2:And please allow me to crystallize this point. I feel like we have to do this again. We've got to finish up about Mike Wiggins. Formerly of the Chargers, formerly of the Jets, he was the wide receiver three or four in New York. They traded him to Pittsburgh Same team we're talking about, because Pittsburgh used to be a wide receiver. Hell, where's this man in the desktop right now? He's behind Van Jefferson and Calvin Austin III.
Speaker 4:What did he do? Come and catch a game-winning touchdown, and then that was like the last time we ever heard from him.
Speaker 2:He was like I'm good for the year, Got my one big boy touchdown, and then we're done. They're like hey, you going to get back out there, he's like, and ruin my average. I'm good. He was in a game of things. As soon as he caught that pass, he went right into witness protection.
Speaker 4:He's like he plays like I would play If I ever played football in the first pass.
Speaker 3:I caught with a touchdown.
Speaker 4:You'd never see me again. I'd be telling my kids 30 years from now every pass I caught was a touchdown. That's what I think of Mike Williams.
Speaker 2:I feel like you want more. I don't think I trust you.
Speaker 4:I mean that man collected a paycheck and as a game winner he's good. I don't know.
Speaker 2:No, I don't think so. I think he'll own the kid. Yeah, I'll do that, Herb, Herb. He'll be like oh, I like that.
Speaker 4:I'll do it again. Okay, you're right.
Speaker 2:You're right happening, because it's weird. Mike williams is a unicorn. He doesn't want more.
Speaker 1:One touchdown every three years is good enough for him. I think it's the arthur smith uh offensive coordinator problem like the same thing, happened.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, you look at tennessee. When he was with tennessee, you have a strong run game. The thing for him was I need a wide receiver to open it up top. They go get aj brown. Their offense has a really good year. He goes to Atlanta. He thinks he's going to do the same thing and then he never gets the talented wide receivers and some of the young guys Pitts, drake, london involved and they have a great run game, but they don't have anybody that breaks the game open over the top.
Speaker 1:Like Herb mentioned, the thing for Pickens is I just don't think they trust him. I don't think it's a level of talent. I think the worry is when we're gonna need him, he's gonna do something stupid and then we lose him and we lose the game and of all the things you have to give mike tomlin credit for. He does not play around when it comes to that. He does not care who you are. He's gonna tell you you need to be smarter than that. This game is bigger than you.
Speaker 1:It's about the team, uh, but I don't think they have the talent offensively. That that's a thing for me like can they? Can they gut it out? Can tj y have a great defensive game. Can their defense keep them in games? Yes, but if my hope and prayer is that wil is going to have a 300-yard passing game and Najee gets a good 100 yards in the run, I'm not sure that that's happening in any game, let alone when I'm going to need it.
Speaker 1:I think they're depleted weapon-wise. This has happened. They're one of those teams. They're a prime example of being great but not great enough to where either you win or you drop down and you get draft picks. Pittsburgh has had to find people in the third round and then not be able to pay them once they get up. Look at all the wide receivers they've had over the years that they've all had to get rid of because they couldn't keep up for them, um, and I think that that's starting to hit them now. I think Pickens is a talent, but I just don't trust him going into the playoffs. That's actually a really good point.
Speaker 4:Sorry, mr Justrow, I'll do this one real quick. That's actually a really good point about the draft and kind of where you are is kind of being mediocre, because you've gone through what Kitty Pickett was the best you could get as far as drafting a quarterback and now you've got a platoon of Fields and Wilson Like none of these are sustainable things for your future.
Speaker 2:Yeah, this is what I don't know. I want to be an alarmist man, but Tomlin has a nice historical record of winning seasons. It feels like this is hours that's going to run out at some point soon. You can't keep doing what's happening right now without in the defense, because why he is hurt every year. It feels like for a handful of games you can't rely on him in the defense to carry them all the time. Something else had to change on the offensive side to get some relief to the defense and, like Shane said, it seems depleted.
Speaker 2:I don't, I don't even know. I mean, Pickens is a number one on this team, but I'm like, if I put him someplace else, you guys can pick a team. Is he a number one there too? I, I, I question that in most cases. So if this is like the future, I'm like, wow, what are you going to do with this? Better bring somebody else in that knows what's going on. I got a good head on their shoulders. Somebody maybe off a free agency. You drive around the draft and you all will learn from pickings. Oh, that ain't going to be good.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I like watch him and everything he does, do the opposite and we'll be fine. That's exactly what I would tell somebody.
Speaker 1:I mean, he's a lot like Antonio Brown for them. You know, when you're great, you're great.
Speaker 2:And when you're terrible.
Speaker 1:You're trouble and that's what I worry about. Pickens, you know, can he get you a touchdown? Yes, but, like Herb mentioned, is he going to get that touchdown and then on the next play he'll catch a four-yard out and throw the ball at the mascot Like he's going to do something stupid like that.
Speaker 2:Mascot catching strays, did you have a video clip of that actually happen?
Speaker 4:Not yet.
Speaker 1:He'll do something like that, like I said, at least with Antonio Brown. You know that Burfitt hit him so hard that he forgot what planet he was on. So after that, where all the craziness happened with Antonio Brown, you can at least shake it off. But Pickens and even you watch him sitting on the sidelines.
Speaker 4:You know he's just kind of like oh yeah look at that, another fumble you know, and it doesn't look like he cares that much about what's going on.
Speaker 1:His interviews as well, yeah, and I'm sure there's other guys on that team that are going.
Speaker 2:That's sad man.
Speaker 1:You take a team like San Francisco. You take a team like San Francisco. The injuries pile up, things start to go bad and then you see guys that kept quiet about how miserable they were. And then they have an opportunity to play and they go. Nah man, I'm good. I'm not going to play, like you've just guaranteed you're never going to play in the.
Speaker 1:NFL again Basically, and those are what happens. And that's why people worry about San Francisco, because before you could always just say it's the injuries, but now it's people just quitting on the team and whether you get rid of one person. Nothing happened before. Now they're even talking about where maybe teams make a trade to get a head coach out of there, because San Francisco thinks maybe it's time to make a move. You know that last week, I think, a lot of things changed.
Speaker 2:Hopefully these franchises are cornerstone franchises in the league. You'd be blessed to be on one of these teams. This ain't no Raiders and Jaguars situation. If you want to be on the Steelers, where are you going? You think there's a guarantee that she's going to pick you up for the Bills? That's not a guarantee. You might end up with the Jaguars or the Patriots. You don't know what are you talking about. This is a privilege to play in Pittsburgh. You can't appreciate that. Maybe you don't belong here. That's nonsense, man.
Speaker 4:Pickets on the Jaguars. I would watch every week, Every single week.
Speaker 2:That's ridiculous though.
Speaker 4:Campbell's an outlier.
Speaker 2:I would say he's a hard for football period, this guy man. They play on two and whatever three and whatever teams and they play with heart. Still, you kidding me? No, that's out like that. That's just a Devon Green-Campbell situation. That's not. They ain't got nothing to do with the Niners, that's a Campbell situation.
Speaker 1:I agree with you on that, but I also go. But you're also telling me, though, on that, yusuf, like the team didn't know this was happening before that game pops out, the team didn't know this was happening before that game pops out. Like you, you weren't prepared for that guy. I can't imagine that you're telling me that this guy, all of a sudden and it's coming out that bosa said that he heard him talking about it before the game even started, but figured that it's just him blowing off steam.
Speaker 1:I mean, if I'm the 49ers, I'm worried about stuff like that. When kittle has to come up in interviews and try to explain why he the best player on their offense that's healthy is not getting the ball, and because he's a supreme positive person, he's not going to throw people under the bus. But he was struggling not to say I don't know why I'm not getting the ball more.
Speaker 4:Yeah that was a sad question, though it was that was a set-up question though it was.
Speaker 2:That was a mousetrap and he was the mouse. I mean I don't know what to say to you. Yeah, okay, I mean y'all, you want to fire the coach. I mean seriously, of course, the boy. You guys want to fire him. I don't want that. I think he's fine in that spot for now. You want?
Speaker 3:to fire him.
Speaker 2:Yes, no, you want to fire Shanahan.
Speaker 3:For me and Shanahan. To me Shanahan's one of the top four coaches in football. I've said this ad nauseum on other shows. If he hangs around long enough and gets a real quarterback at some point he wins multiple Super Bowls. But I, I will say I noticed even last offseason he looked a little ragged, run down. He looks like even he himself is not enjoying life too good right now.
Speaker 3:I don't know if that's just you know. I don't know what that is, if it's a person thing off on the side or what he doesn't look like he's enjoying himself. He's looked even less like it as this season has gone on. So you know, you never know. It might get to a point where he's just worn out his welcome in San Francisco and he goes on to a different franchise and does what Andy Reid has done in Kansas City. All right, so I could see that. But no, I'm a big Shanahan guy. I see him doing very well as a coach. But there have been whispers around San Francisco for about a year now really that maybe not all is as beautiful as it seems to be on the outside. Okay.
Speaker 1:Well, I mean you have to replace a defensive coordinator every year. You know, either your team defense is terrible or your coordinator does so well. They offer him a head coaching job and that's happened to him, you know, four seasons in a row where he's had to make that switch. He's also a coach that takes on that offensive coordinator role. I think a lot of that stuff is just weighing on him. You know, you see a lot of these coaches now that they're better in that CEO role where you trust the people underneath you to make those plays. And like you know, those plays and like you know, ben mentioned, like andy reed like he still calls the offense, but he's got guys below him that he's taking a ton of input on how they're gonna run the offense. Like it's not all on him to make every decision night or day.
Speaker 1:I think shanahan takes it on. I think that's exactly what his father did, uh, and I think that's why problems for his father happened. You know, after a couple seasons, if you're making every single decision on every single thing in the program, I think that that becomes difficult and I think with the injuries now and this year in total, you can see it in Shanahan this year and the last two years specifically, have worn on him. Plus he's riding that, you know Buffalo Bills, marv Levy. How many super bowls in a row can we lose when we make it that far? Yeah?
Speaker 2:okay, that's fair. Let's let's uh, explore the scenario right quick. Say you got a brand new job right, but it's about an hour away, so instead of taking the bus, you got to get a car right. So you get a. You get a, you get a car, and that car breaks down within one week. Imagine the stress of that right? I tell your boss you know what? I'm late because my car broke down right. So you get another car and that car breaks down. You get a third car and that one breaks down.
Speaker 4:Wouldn't you be stressed too I'd go to another gym.
Speaker 2:Somebody else buy my car. The quarterback core flames out all year long, constantly. First C-Mac, then his backup, jordan Mason and then Garendo. They all go out with season end injuries. I'd be stressed out too.
Speaker 4:I'd actually I'd actually go back, go back even before. Then you lose a Super Bowl that you really had control of for most of what. Three quarters, right, that's tough and we all, you know I bet you most people say, yeah, they'll probably get back to the Super Bowl, you know. Now you kind of see how tough that is, you know. So that's a thing. Then what was their off season? The Brandi Ayuk saga. For the entire summer you got to answer questions about that every week. You're like we're not going to talk about any of the guys who are actually here. What's up, man? You're not going to talk about any of the guys that are here. We're going to talk about the people that aren't here.
Speaker 4:So that weighs on you Then, like you said, your prize running back hurt to start. Then you kind of go into all that stuff. What's his last positive to really enjoy this job? I think it's the whole thing in totality.
Speaker 2:Let me shout out to Carissa Got your question. We're going to do that during our predictions segment. We'll jump into your question at that point. Let me ask you about Anthony Richardson. I'm hearing the comments and I want to ask you guys because right now it feels as though and I think I read a few articles where he is not the unquestioned starter for the Colts going into next year. His last game was like what 17 and 38? 17 yards, two picks. He was pretty bad. We thought for one game, after his benching, that he finally got it, but he came back and we realized that he didn't have it. Is Anthony Richardson a bust in your opinion, yes or no?
Speaker 4:I think it's still too early, because you're in year two and you lost year one, but you took a project with the fourth pick and the expectations are too much, too fast. You're like we should make the playoffs in year two even though you didn't really play in year one. So I just I don't see the development for him, but I still think it's I put more of his best potential on the organization than I do on him.
Speaker 2:I don't think he should have been a starter day one last year. Ok, shane.
Speaker 1:I agree with her about that. I think it's an evaluation thing. I think you took a supreme athlete that was not a talented quarterback uh, and played uh sparingly at Florida. Like you know, I'm not a full-on Parcells guy, but he used to not draft somebody if they didn't start for at least three years, you know. And he would say like that way I knew what I had going like when things went bad I could see what he did. I could see where that falls in. I don't think he was trained very well at Florida. I think he has the athletic talent to do it, but I think you step in and a Chargers offense, where you have weapons around you, he still looks lost at times. You know, now, again, like Herb said, is that on him or did you select?
Speaker 2:him earlier than what you showed up.
Speaker 3:Okay, I'm going to shoot off both these guys here because they're speaking what I'm thinking. Anthony Richardson is so talented but he hasn't had a lot of playing time, even at the NFL level. Back at Florida, like Shane mentioned, it was what Nine starts, thirteen starts it was some ridiculous number in his entire Florida career.
Speaker 4:Like his last year there, but not before that, I think yes.
Speaker 3:And then you get him in the Colts. I didn't mind the Colts drafting him, because you have to do something at quarterback, right, you've got to try something at some point. But for him to start day one, I think, like Herb said, I just didn't see it. I thought they should have sat him most of the year, but now at this point I want him to play, because you've already kind of blew your chance for him to sit back and relax.
Speaker 4:You burned his red shirt already.
Speaker 3:Yes, that's a great way to put it. I want him out there playing the rest of this year and then go in the next offseason. He's still going to be my main option, but I'll bring in another, maybe a lower profile backup to go with him so that if he does collapse halfway through next year, I've still got somebody else to plug in and play a little bit. He just needs a lot more playing time, and I do blame the Colts coaching staff for not developing something here. We just haven't seen any real development at all on most weeks, yeah.
Speaker 2:That's fair. That's fair. You got some rapid fire questions and then we'll jump into our predictions for TNF tonight and the rest of the week. All right, ready? Josh Allen MVP yes or no?
Speaker 3:Yes, yes.
Speaker 4:Josh Allen.
Speaker 1:MVP yes or no?
Speaker 4:yes, right now you might not like this one, but I would. I'd either have him or Saquon is my top two the man playing off the chain.
Speaker 2:Man, I'm good with it. What was your answer?
Speaker 1:you said right now right now, yeah, he's the hottest player in the NFL right now. Right now, yeah, I, he's the hottest player in the nfl right now.
Speaker 4:Um, I, I think like he's talking about looks wise or playing style.
Speaker 1:I mean he's, I think he's, I think he's doing okay right now in all forms, but I think I think it's him, sa Saquon Lamar Jackson, in that order, and I think that if the Bills continue on, I think Josh Allen is an easy choice for them.
Speaker 2:Copy that. All right, let's keep moving. All right, houston Texans first round exit or they go beyond.
Speaker 3:First round exit.
Speaker 1:I can see it yeah, one and done.
Speaker 4:Copy that copy that I was trying to figure out who they play, but I was like I just don't have any faith in them right now, so sorry.
Speaker 2:I'll be honest with you. I'll be honest with you, right? Should Mark Davis retain Antonio Pierce as head coach of the Raiders?
Speaker 4:Yes or no, y'all be nice now, I guess, one more year.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's a roster man. I mean you know, other than Crosby, he ain't got a whole lot to work with here, so give him another year.
Speaker 2:You saw Disney Ritter tonight. You saw Disney Ritter, you saw him.
Speaker 4:Yeah, you have like one offensive player and one defensive player and that's your whole roster. You can't find a guy like Boudis. I say make the change. So to that one, when you say make the change, I say who would you have brought in, like this year, that would do better with this roster?
Speaker 1:Well, that's my point. I don't think next year is going to help you either. I think that I don't think Pierce is the problem, but I don't think that you giving him another year puts you in any better situation.
Speaker 4:Hey man, it's not you, it's me.
Speaker 2:Look at what the Raiders have done.
Speaker 1:Look at what the Raiders have done with their coaches. They've made terrible decisions and then they wait to cut bait and then you end up having interim guys that perform for half a season and then can't perform when it's their full-time job. Like I said, I don't think the talent is great with oakland, but I don't think next year antonio pierce brings them to 11, and you know 11, 10 wins, that's not gonna. So are you going to keep him around to try to figure this out and go? Well, you know it's not really his fault. Well then, fire the GM, make a move.
Speaker 1:And that's what I'm saying I don't think it's Antonio Pierce. I like what he's done for the Raiders, but you don't have a quarterback. You didn't do anything to help that. I don't think bringing in whoever you're going to as a rookie quarterback is going to elevate your team to a point to where you're going to have a shot. I mean, if you're the Raiders, who are you beating in your division with a new quarterback? No one. I don't know if the Raiders can beat their practice squad?
Speaker 4:at this point no one.
Speaker 1:I don't know if the Raiders can beat their practice squad at this point, yeah. So you keep him around and then say you lose, you know, four out of your first six. Then you cut him. Well, what did you do? You just wasted time. Or you could have gotten a coach to give them another shot. I mean, I don't think. I don't think Ben Johnson's taking that job. I don't think some of these other coaches are taking the job, but I don't think waiting around another year with Pierce is going to answer the problems. I don't think it's a question of him. I don't think it's like he's going to figure it out next year.
Speaker 2:All right, let's keep moving. All right, sean Payton. Coach of the year. Yes or no, maybe like top three, but no, they were expected to be in last place, second in the West. It doesn't count for anything.
Speaker 4:I got it. But if you have the division that the Lions and stuff are in and all three of those teams compete, it's hard for me to look past any one of those coaches to jump down to the team just because of expectations. I'd rather reward somebody else. For sure that's not a notch on him. This isn't a bad for him, this is just. I would have other people ahead of him.
Speaker 2:They clinched postseason tonight and they win against the Chargers. Shane, what do you got?
Speaker 1:I don't think he wins either. I think, like Herb said, I think you're in a tough boat for any of those teams that are ahead of him. Have they played better this year? But again you made a change at quarterback and that played out well for you. Peyton is the offensive coordinator and the head coach, so that helps him, but I think the other thing with his personality is going to hurt him in a head coach spot. I don't think that he is the number one fan for writers and things like that to get picked. I think Dan Campbell has more of the media. I think Kevin O'Connell. I think what he's done with the Vikings is more impressive than what the other coaches have, because I think that was a team where, if this quarterback thing didn't work out, that team was in some serious trouble and he has really navigated that team to a winning point.
Speaker 2:Ben.
Speaker 3:So I love what Sean Payton has done this year. I even put a video on it. I really, really love what he has done. I think he's been brilliant, maybe one of his best coaching jobs ever, even reaching back to the Saints days. I mean, I'm really impressed.
Speaker 3:If I had a vote, though I think I'd vote for Mike Tomlin. I mean watching Tomlin listen. I was dumb enough to say that the Steelers weren't going to make the playoffs this year. I had them at about eight wins this year Seven, eight wins and Mike Tomlin's done nothing. That took Mike Tomlin six weeks to prove me wrong on that. So what Tomlin's doing here with this kind of double quarterback thing and he's dealt with injuries too, and we talked about the limitations at the skill position groups here I think I'd look for Tom McLeod, honestly, is where I'd be at on it, and you know I'd have Sean very close second because I think he's done a tremendous job.
Speaker 2:All right, a few more and then we can go ahead and jump into our predictions. All right, if Mahomes is out, can the Chiefs keep on winning games?
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Okay, all right, look, the payments to the refs have not stopped. Okay, and we've still got all the voodoo dolls down that's the one right there down in the lower bowels of the stadium, somewhere that the maintenance guy is taking care of. So now we got this covered. Man, I don't care who's playing, who ain't playing, we're good, all right.
Speaker 2:Oh, wow, okay. So, shane, I'm assuming you'll be with Ben right.
Speaker 4:Shane said no, he was already shaking his head.
Speaker 1:No, yeah, I think Ben brought it up, but I didn't know if that's what that super fan was robbing those banks for was to be able to make these payments already to the officials. But no already to the officials. But no, I think, without Mahomes they're in serious trouble.
Speaker 2:Okay, that's a fair point, I think real quick.
Speaker 4:I think they're going to figure it out. I think they could put Andy Reid in quarterback right now and just somehow figure something. They want a game on a botched snap. I mean, there's just something going on with them this year to where I don't know. You're going to find one of the players' kids is going to quarterback next game and they're going to win. I don't know. I wouldn't pick against them.
Speaker 3:Hey look. That's also why Kelsey is dating Taylor Swift. So we can afford the payment.
Speaker 4:There you go. She's sitting up in the booth writing checks.
Speaker 2:I don't want to do that. I never want to do that. So Bill's best team in the league, yes or no?
Speaker 3:As of now, yes for me.
Speaker 2:As of now, herb, I don't know, can.
Speaker 4:I abstain, hurt. I don't know, can I abstain? I was like I want to pick Detroit and then they just beat them, so that just makes my point terrible.
Speaker 2:I'll come back, you sure.
Speaker 4:Yeah, until next week.
Speaker 2:I think, right now Philly actually is.
Speaker 1:Really I can't say Philly actually is Really.
Speaker 4:You can't say Philly on this show, because it gets bad. That's why I always skip them.
Speaker 2:No, you don't have to, it just sounds gross. You guys probably think that Hurst is doing great. Right, you can go around the world. See, I knew it.
Speaker 4:I knew it, we would find some way to insult the Eagles somehow. We watched Saquon Barkley jump backwards over a man and the first thing we did was complain about the Giants. I was like, oh God, I don't bring up Philly on this show.
Speaker 2:Barkley is in the MVP competition, no question about that. I'm asking about Hurts.
Speaker 4:You guys like how he's playing I know, because you're going to try to find a way to shoot down Philly.
Speaker 2:I won't. Yes, you are.
Speaker 4:Oh crap they're talking too good about Philly. Let me break it down.
Speaker 2:Did the second best team, though Did the second best team in the league.
Speaker 4:Philly.
Speaker 2:Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1:I don't think Buffalo, defensively, is good enough to be the top team. Like I said, I take Josh Allen against anyone right now. But if you're asking me who the best team is, philadelphia is the best team.
Speaker 2:Are we using records to determine anything or are we just bypassing that?
Speaker 3:No, I'm bypassing records here.
Speaker 1:I'll wait for the playoffs. I'll stand behind Philly. I'm not scared.
Speaker 2:Okay, last rapid-fire question that we had, I'm going to give you guys five quarterbacks. Okay, what I want you to tell me is who do you like going forward? That means all the measurables, potential in team situation, everything. So this is going to be a little bit thought. Take a breath, don't give me a quick answer. You're going to get blasted if you do that. So take your time and think about it. Here are the five guys Anthony Richardson, cj Stroud, will Levis, bryce Young and Kayla Williams. I'll repeat them again A Rich Stroud, levis, bryce Young and Kayla Williams.
Speaker 3:One of these. It's not below it.
Speaker 4:One of these guys is about to be done, so Will Levis is eliminated from this conversation.
Speaker 2:Really he got size and all that can be cold.
Speaker 4:I mean, they'll get him to play another quarterback in the movie of their life. I guess that's what he'll get to do, but otherwise, no, I feel like you got to go, cj Stroud, with this list.
Speaker 2:Ooh, after all we said about the Texans, you sure you like him. What did I say about the? Texans a whole bunch of stuff, man. That means you weren't listening to anything.
Speaker 4:I said but look at your list, though. Bears eliminated, panthers eliminated, will Levis eliminated. So it's basically CJ Stroud or Anthony Richardson, that's how I put it.
Speaker 2:So let me ask you this Do you think the Bears have the most talent in this list offensively?
Speaker 4:not when the Texans are healthy Right. They don't have bad talent, but it's like they're the Bears. Caleb Williams' body language is looking terrible lately. Like something else is just going on there, so that's why I can't give that to him.
Speaker 2:Where's Coach? She has Stroud as well, so she agrees with her. I like it. All right what you got, Shane.
Speaker 1:I'm with her, but I say stroud and williams are above the pack. I also agree that mayonnaise will levis is at the bottom mayonnaise he didn't look down at at all.
Speaker 2:It's never going to happen again. Wow, man, he's willful, wow.
Speaker 1:And I think Bryce Young has impressed in the last couple of games with what he's come back from. He certainly has and, like I said, I was never a big Richardson. I think he's a great athlete. I just don't think he's a great quarterback and you can get away with that in college. You can't get away with it in the nfl right.
Speaker 2:Does he convert or does he stay at quarterback for the rest of his career?
Speaker 4:stays at quarterback. Stays at quarterback sorry.
Speaker 2:Sorry for your look all right for me at cj stroud.
Speaker 3:Uh, it's. It's amazing that stroud had to actually kind of come down and have a bad season and a couple of these guys came up and they're still not at Stroud's level. I mean, so you know, next year, if Stroud kind of puts it back together again, you know the sky's the limit for him. Some of these other guys are already hitting, you know, hard limits, to be honest. So it's Stroud for me.
Speaker 4:Plus, you also mentioned team situation. He's probably in one of the best team situations as far as talent around him too as well. Look at his division. It's falling apart. Yep, like everything else factors into that as well. And also it's kind of like Shane was talking about you ding all these other people points for that kind of stuff. I had Caleb Williams second just because they're working. They did put a lot of talent around him. I did do bryce young third, but it's like it's the panthers. They were jettisoning people, you know, in the middle of the year off a team that didn't like who's their best receiver. I'm feeling, you know, like they've got their. Their second best wide receiver might be laguette and he can't catch, so that's. You're just not in a good position there to succeed, so you know I'm just busting you guys.
Speaker 2:Chops man, but the fourth and the fifth one I don't know what to do with that. I had Stroud and Williams and I had Young, but after that I don't know who was fourth and fifth. I don't know, Maybe Levis Richardson, I don't know.
Speaker 4:I think it was Richardson Levis, because I think Levis is about to be out of a job, but I think they're going to. They have more capital invested in Richardson, so they're going to see to the bitter end if this works or not.
Speaker 1:Well, and Levis has had more turnovers where you just shake your head that you can't even believe it happened that way.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:And like, at some point, you know what do you do. The other thing I mean that's tough in Tennessee, that's they've made the wrong decision on the quarterback time and time again, and that's one of those ones where you can't make that mistake.
Speaker 4:Yep.
Speaker 1:Agreed.
Speaker 2:I don't want them in the quarterback market right now. Y'all go ahead and try to coach that man up. Give him another year. Y'all go ahead and try to coach that man up. Give him another year. Stay out of the quarterback. I don't want them involved in this at all.
Speaker 1:They're going to go make a run at. Cousins when he becomes trade base.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there you go. Leave the draft alone, y'all good, pick something else other than quarterback. Apply next year. We need no competition, we need to get something out of this track. It's a whole other story though. Good stuff, guys. All right, let's jump into our predictions.
Speaker 2:Carissa Johnson, aka KJ, had a question about the TNF game tonight. We'll answer her question around the board and then we'll jump into our predictions and do what could be the best five-pack poll we ever had on this show. So we'll see if it holds up. We like what we've seen so far. But Chris asks what are your opinions on the Denver Broncos and the Los Angeles Chargers? All right, pretty general question there. What are your opinions on the game tonight, I guess, perhaps.
Speaker 2:What are you guys' thoughts on the game tonight? Just a couple of things here. The Chargers have lost two straight games by a wide margin. They haven't looked great. The Broncos are steaming hot. They had one game I think it was the week that we were out where Bo Nix was making some mayonnaise liver type of mistakes. I don't remember if they won the game or not. I think they still won the game anyway, but pretty rough. So the Broncos are kind of coming in hot in this game and the Chargers are super desperate. They got to get a win to stay afloat. If they don't, the Broncos will have a postseason berth and I think they'll lock down second in the division. What are you guys' thoughts on this game and these two teams?
Speaker 3:Let me go ahead and jump in with some good old-fashioned fence straddling first, okay and then I'll actually make a pitch, yeah, baby.
Speaker 3:Okay. So if the Chargers can get, I don't think they're going to have Dobbins McConkie's going to be a game-time decision last we heard. If they got McConkie and if Harbaugh stays aggressive and allows Herbert to kind of throw the football around the field and it's a higher scoring game. I like the Chargers. Nix is good for some interceptions. We've seen when they try to open the game up. Nix is good for picks and I think he'll throw picks against this defense. Okay Now, if Sean Payton reigns Bo Nix back in, like they were doing four or five weeks ago, going with just a lot of conservative stuff, trying not to make mistakes, let this defense kind of do its thing, run the football pretty well, because you can run the football against the Chargers.
Speaker 3:Defense Teams have been doing it all year and for the last three or four years. If that's what happens, then I kind of favor the Broncos here in this game because the Chargers are still banged up. So we'll see what happens. Ultimately, though, I think I like the Chargers here. They just seem like they're a little bit more mature ultimately across the board and they're at home. So in a tight one I'll pick the Chargers after all my fence straddling.
Speaker 2:And they're at minus three Shane.
Speaker 1:So, instead of going straddling the fence like ben did, I have been on the chargers bandwagon throughout the year, but I believe that there is at least one wheel broken off of this wagon and I think denver sees an opportunity to lock up a playoff berth. Uh, I think for them, playing in a dome helps them out even more, and I think they beat the Chargers. I think it's going to be tight, but I think, like Ben mentioned, peyton is going to dial it down. Probably a lot of screens in this game, get the ball moving, get Knicks ready to go, and then I think they'll let the defense take over. I think the Chargers are hurting right now and I think Denver pulls it out tonight.
Speaker 2:All right Herbal.
Speaker 4:Yeah, one that I don't feel really really great about. But I have Denver winning this game just playing a little bit better and a little bit more motivation at this time. But as somebody who doesn't have a rooting issue, I just want to see a good game. I do not want to see a blowout. I hope the line is indicative of the actual game.
Speaker 2:And I hope I'm still watching in the fourth quarter. I'll turn to an old mystery in a minute. Don't try me this game. It'll be entertaining. We want to talk about the sitcom in a minute. You know what I'm saying. But I don't know if my conky is healthy. We were still hurt from last week but I have no idea what his situation is. I can check, but right now, even though the Chargers are getting minus three, I'm just kind of like I think the Broncos are going to win here. I don't know, man. Oh Lord, they got all these alumni from the Chargers out here rooting for the team and pumping the fans up. Now I know they're going to lose.
Speaker 2:Absolutely. I'm going Broncos on this one myself, so let's go ahead and jump back around. We got some games on. The lineup is all messed up the way they had it Okay. So I think Saturday we got two games on Saturday, is that right? Yes, wow, okay, texans at Chiefs, who you got? I don't know if Mahomes is playing for the record I can check, but I have no idea if he's going to be.
Speaker 4:I thought they said he was. I thought he was going to give it a go.
Speaker 2:Okay, okay, okay. How are you feeling?
Speaker 4:I think I'll take the Chiefs because the Texans are up and down and they play terrible on the road.
Speaker 3:It feels like this year, Chiefs for me, payments to the refs have been made, chiefs.
Speaker 2:He doesn't have an injury designation. You know what that tells me? His ankle's still bothering him. He's going to play anyway.
Speaker 4:It definitely is. It definitely is. He's not 100% no way.
Speaker 2:Anyway, it definitely is. It definitely is. He's not 100%. No way I'm going to be here to be giving the Texans the line, but I don't know. I don't feel good about it. All right, steelers at Ravens. Who you got, ben? Steelers at Ravens.
Speaker 3:Lamar has a big day. You can't get that secondary and the Steelers' offense struggling, so give Lamar has a big day. You can't get that secondary and the Steelers' offense is struggling, so give it to Lamar and Baltimore.
Speaker 2:Shane.
Speaker 1:I think before Herb talks, this is a classic Herb statement. The Ravens are on the watch to Raven, because this is one of those games where they forget that they have one of the better backs in the league and they try to get cute and they don't play well. Um, but I don't think pittsburgh can pull it out, so I have the ravens yeah, this is almost guaranteed to be a low scoring game.
Speaker 4:If it's not, I'll be totally shocked it wasn't in the first one, though, wasn't it? Didn it? Didn't they put up some points in the first? Matchup I believe, I'm going. Steelers, mostly because the other two guys picked the Ravens. But I have no idea. It's like you said. I don't believe in the Ravens coaching staff at times I don't believe in Pittsburgh's offense. I don't know, this game could be 10-7 or like 30-27.
Speaker 2:Who are you taking.
Speaker 4:I'll take Pittsburgh, okay.
Speaker 2:I agree with Herb. I think I'm going to go with the Steelers. In these kind of games, you feel like the Ravens. They just forget about what this is all about, and if you get to run the ball, it amazes me. Without an offense, I think the Steelers might still win this game. I'm going with the Steelers. I could change my mind, but they're the underdogs in this case. But that's okay, I'm sticking with this. I think when the Steelers are the underdogs, they win. I think the stat was 66% of their games. I like that number. I'm going with the Steelers. Browns at Bengals. How you feeling, Ben?
Speaker 2:You're a big Browns fan, so how you feel.
Speaker 3:Yeah, unfortunately, given the Bengals by a lot, Joe Burrow's playing really well. This offense is going to load up. He's going to throw for a lot of yards and a bunch of picks.
Speaker 4:He's not starting, though, but I do agree with the rest well, yeah, he still might throw for a few picks.
Speaker 3:I can see it.
Speaker 4:I can see it. I made that joke last week, so that's why I'm with you on that. I said he was going to throw for more touchdowns than Mahomes Because there'd be a lot more pick sixes in there. So that's what. So I'm definitely with you. I can see him on the bench throwing to the wrong person. Wow, okay, and that definitely with you.
Speaker 2:I could see him on the bench throwing to the wrong person. Wow, okay.
Speaker 4:And that's Bengals for me too, by the way.
Speaker 2:Oh, it is Okay. Shane Bengals who?
Speaker 1:Bengals.
Speaker 2:Raising up on me again, buddy. We can go ahead and bypass that 10-point Falcons favorites. We can go ahead and move on my boy Pinnock's out there starting right. Yay, all right, all right, so pass that bill. Do we need to have a conference about this? No, I'm going to do the shame, because he's the only one who's going to say, who might say pass, you're going to win. Bill's going to win this game, bill's going to win it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, I'm a Patriots fan, but I'm not a you know I'm still a realist.
Speaker 4:He said I actually watch the games.
Speaker 1:I have seen and played football before, so I will still pick the team.
Speaker 2:Ooh, his arm's the little thing I don't know. Okay, so, Cardinals at Panthers Tuffy. But Ben, what do you got? I'm really not sure.
Speaker 3:This one is tough right here, but give me the Panthers by a hair. Oh, I love it. They're just playing tough man, and I like that, and the Cardinals are up and down, so give me the Panthers here.
Speaker 2:Feeling looks good. Man, take what you want to you look good. What are you like? 103 for 10 catches, 103 yards. You had a touchdown, shane.
Speaker 1:I go Cardinals in a shootout.
Speaker 2:Isn't that amazing? The team you hate the most, isn't that something?
Speaker 4:I'm going to go Cardinals just because I feel like the Panthers are going to play really well. I agree with the shootout part, but they're going to find a way to keep their high draft pick. So someone will do something stupid Another fumble, an interception, something will happen at the end that you'll just go, oh. So yeah, I'm picking the Cardinals, I'm going to go with the underdogs.
Speaker 2:I'm going with the Panthers here. I like it. Those four points. I'm going with the Panthers. I think they're going to do work back there. Lions at Bears we need to have a conference on this. Are we good with the Lions as a consensus to win this game? Caleb might be crying before the end of the game. He's over crying in his mom's Poor Caleb. Titans at Colts I have no idea. I have no idea this is not easy.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they're still playing better. Tennessee just doesn't play well. Even in some of the close games they don't play well. So give me the Colts here, even though you know Richardson struggled. But give me the Colts, they're just a better team.
Speaker 2:They got the Titans favored by a good bit. I'm trying to figure out why.
Speaker 4:Titans are favored.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think it's four and a half. I'm trying to figure out why.
Speaker 4:Is that because Randolph is starting? I think the Colts minus three and a half right now on CBS.
Speaker 2:That line must have changed. It wasn't that bad Okay.
Speaker 4:I'm taking the Colts as well. This will be that game that Richardson plays great and we'll be like, oh this is why they drafted him, and the next week he'll play terrible again.
Speaker 2:All right. So you said Colts and Shane. You got Colts too. Colts, yeah, I like Colts as well. Ram that Jets. I'll be good with the fact that Rodgers is going to make an epic comeback and win the game. They're going to get blown out, right, Are we agreed?
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'm not sure if anyone even cares about this game outside of Rams fans.
Speaker 4:Basically yeah, good call.
Speaker 2:It's going to be a nightmare for the Jets defense. So Daniel Wiggum from this one, all right. So Rams Eagles at Commanders Ben.
Speaker 3:I got the Eagles. I just want the Commanders to play hard, at least punch the bully right. But I don't see them putting that on here yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Do your best, do your darndest. All right, shane.
Speaker 1:I stood behind the Eagles. I think they pull it out in this one, but I do think it's going to be a good game. The commanders have turned it around to where you can't just walk in and think that you're going to roll them up anymore.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I'm going, eagles as well.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm going, eagles too. I just don't know if the game is going to be close. I'm not going to be able to say that, okay, we'll see Vikings at Seahawks. I guess it should be, on paper, a good game, but, ben, you got Vikings.
Speaker 3:I like the Vikings. I think it's a great matchup for Minnesota. The one thing that gives me pause is that the Seattle defense is playing better the past three, four weeks. So if they can start to lock it down a little bit, then that does change everything. But ultimately, no, I just like this matchup for Minnesota. Yeah.
Speaker 1:I have the Vikings.
Speaker 2:All right, it was Vikings across the board. All right, here's the big one. It should be the marquee game of the week. Jags at Raiders. Ooh, money game man, I don't know, I'm going to cheat off you guys. I'm going to tell you that right now because I have no idea who to pick. I'm cheating off you guys Just want you to know in advance who you got.
Speaker 3:Jags or Raiders? Probably. Yeah, let's go.
Speaker 4:Well, I didn't spend a lot of time studying this game, man. I didn't do Raiders, nobody did, nobody did, nobody did. The NFL is still shocked that it's on the schedule, like what.
Speaker 1:Is this one of the college football playoff games? We should have had this game on Saturday. What are we doing here?
Speaker 2:Oh man.
Speaker 4:I'm taking Jaguars. Jaguars, if this game is on your market, I just feel bad for you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm not going to be watching that.
Speaker 1:King Jags.
Speaker 2:Well, because of where they are in the draft, this is likely a game of attrition, so I'm hoping that they don't, that the Raiders actually do win this game. I'm picking the Raiders to win. I need them to say where they are in the draft. I like it. I like it.
Speaker 3:This is all self-serving.
Speaker 2:This is all self-serving. All right, Niners at Dolphins. Honestly, I don't know where to go with this one either. Ben, what do you got?
Speaker 3:Close one, but give me the Dolphins. Dolphins at home. If you collect all the past three or four weeks together, Dolphins are playing better, so give me the Dolphins.
Speaker 2:The one and a half number says a lot about where these two teams are. You know, King.
Speaker 1:Niners. I think they need it more.
Speaker 2:Where are they going to get it from? I know they need it more. Where is it going to come from?
Speaker 1:I think defensively I don't think Tua has a good game at all.
Speaker 2:Brother, I'd like to see that game.
Speaker 4:I'm going Miami as well, you are.
Speaker 2:Oh boy, this is one time where I'm just this is group speak. I'm just doing what you guys are doing because I have no idea. I don't think Gerindo's coming back, so I don't know who they're going to have running back.
Speaker 4:I think they just knocked Gerindo out. I saw the alert come across earlier, so he's done.
Speaker 2:That would be an effectual wrap. We're going to end off with that. Buccaneers at Cowboys. Anybody have the Cowboys winning this game? Ben, you're going to say you see.
Speaker 3:Yeah, the Cowboys defense is playing better yeah.
Speaker 1:I mean.
Speaker 3:Baker Mayfield's playing too good here, give me the fight in Baker Mayfield's.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they're going to lose. I got the Bucs too Shane. So I got the Bucs too Shane. You got the Bucs too.
Speaker 4:I'm taking Tampa. I love the fact that Dallas couldn't win right when it was time, and then they can't lose right when they're tanking, so they don't know what's going on over there, but I'm taking Tampa in this game.
Speaker 2:The record is 1-6 at home. I don't trust them, sorry. And the Bucs have won four straight and they're five and two on the road. Yeah, they're not losing this game. Saints at Packers is our last game on the matchup, ben. What do you got, saints or Packers?
Speaker 3:Packers is a very good football team. They're at home. They're going to win this game.
Speaker 2:I said 13 and a half. What One of the second biggest lines in this whole matchup, shane?
Speaker 1:I will go Packers and to reverse it from how Ben put it, the Saints are a really bad football team.
Speaker 2:And Camaro is not going to be playing in the game. He just went out a couple of hours ago, so he's done. Yeah, I think his pride was hurt or something, right, he just went out a couple of hours ago, so he's done. I think his pride was hurt or something right. His extremity was also hurt as well.
Speaker 4:I agree with both of these smart gentlemen for both of their reasons. I am picking against the Saints for sure.
Speaker 2:Go point and pull long in that right State's doing get demolished 13 and a half.
Speaker 4:My gosh, but you would not want to go ahead and hurt us, don't you do it?
Speaker 2:All right, so Monday night is a problem. I'm going to find something to do with my time on Monday night, because I don't think I have time for that. I might get beat, but abuse on tape. Grant Herbin, one down the new five-pack poll we're busting out this week. I think we're all excited about it. Man, show us how the game is played, brother.
Speaker 4:Okay and I came up with this. One Probably needs a little bit of tweaking still, but we're going to roll with it. We're going off teams. We're going to roll with it. We're going off teams. We're going quarterbacks. This time your positions are win the Super Bowl in three years, mvp in three years. I tried to give you guys a little bit of cushion so you don't have to say this is what's going to happen exactly this year Get traded within three years, binged within three years and out of the league the harsh one in the next three years. And try to give you a good mix here You're going Josh Allen, lamar Jackson, jared golf, jalen hurts and love from green Bay, from the Packers. I don't know why I'm blanking out on everything. So who's venturing to go first on this one? Why are you hurrying to be me, jordan, though I love Michael Jordan, I don't know why that's skipping my head, I'll go first on this.
Speaker 2:Oh, shane, okay, go ahead.
Speaker 1:So you know, at first, when Herb came up with this one, I figured, you know, let's go and take a look at everybody's age. Maybe this one that I figured you know let's, let's go and take a look at everybody's age, maybe that will give me like a shot. And then I saw, you know, goff is the oldest but he's only 30. So it didn't give me the like oh, he's gonna be, he'll be the one that's out of the league because he's just gonna age out. So I thought this one was a tough one, but I think kind of what we've talked about this week really shows on my list.
Speaker 1:So for the Super Bowl, I put Josh Allen. I think their window is right now. Could it be this year where you get to a Super Bowl, or could it be in the next couple? I think he has a chance. I think the lock for an MVP in the next couple is Lamar Jackson. He already has a few. He's playing at that level again and his talent is still, you know, in that upper level. Um, the the one for me, the bench, that's Jalen Hurts. I think he has the opportunity to where he could be one that gets sat. The reason why I said that is, I put Jared Goff as the one that will be out of the league Again, just being the older one, and the reason why I left Jordan Love is because he is a Packers quarterback who has done well, which means that he will be traded within the next couple of years.
Speaker 3:Good point, I like that.
Speaker 2:I didn't think about that. Wow, Ben you ready.
Speaker 3:That's the best thing I've heard tonight. Shane, I did not connect to that, but you're right.
Speaker 1:Statistically, if you do well as a Packers quarterback, you will be on the block.
Speaker 2:That's so terrible, that's funny. That's so terrible, that's funny, that's funny.
Speaker 3:I like it. What'd you got, ben? I was so close to making an identical list to what Shane has, but I switched to two names here. So first of all, jerry Goff. I'm going to have him just retiring in three years because he wins a Super Bowl and he feels a lot older, doesn't he? I mean, he feels like he's been in the league for 15, 16 years, man.
Speaker 4:It does. When you said 30, I was like he lied. You just lied to me.
Speaker 3:I know I've been here forever but you know he's kind of had two or three different careers almost. But I'll age out. Jared Goff about that. Lamar Jackson's the MVP. You could even have said this guy might win the MVP all the next three seasons and I'd still put in Lamar. I mean he's got that. The voters won't let him do that. He's got that potential for MVP. Josh Allen is the Super Bowl winner, but you might take care of that. This year I went ahead and put Hurts on the trading block because Hurts ain't playing well and Philadelphia too doesn't mind moving off their quarterbacks rather quickly. So you know, sometime in the next three years you can see that Jordan Love was the tough one here because I mean, obviously a good five-pack pole is going to put somebody here in the lurks. Jordan Love's the one who gets caught here, so I'm benching Jordan Love. The Packers seem to like Jordan Love, but he also has this ability to get injured, unfortunately, and it makes dumb decisions.
Speaker 3:So between those two things, I could see him over the next three years at some point getting benched, even though at times he plays really well. Agreed.
Speaker 2:Okay, that was all of them. That was all of them, you didn't do yours, I missed it, I missed it okay.
Speaker 4:No, no, I mean all of them. Oh yeah, yes, yes, he did sorry, yes let me do. Do mine before you do yours hurt yes, because I'm basing mine off of what you guys do. I'm doing something different than everybody else, so do that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you go see some creativity.
Speaker 4:Well, I didn't want to repeat anybody else's list, so you go see some. Uh, I think mine just might be to repeat anybody else's list, so you go see some craziness.
Speaker 2:I think mine might be different than anybody else's. I think perhaps I got Josh Allen winning the Super Bowl in three years. I think that's doable. Defense concerned me. We talked about it earlier in the show. Lamar Jackson is my MVP. That's low-hanging fruit. He's been doing it for how many years now he's been in the running? Not really a big leap there now he's really just tough all right. So for me I have joy and love being traded, and not for the reason that shane said, but because I believe that he's the kind out of this list, he's the quarterback in this list that if a young upstart comes in and has any level of flash, that they forget the whole pack of faithful, forget all about jordan love. I just really believe that. I don't think he's, uh, as cemented in the the fabric of green bay as you know he would like to be. I don't feel like he's in like far within, so to speak, for example. So I feel like he's the kind of guy in this list that would be traded pretty easily.
Speaker 2:I got Jalen Hurts being the guy out of the league in three years. I feel like his potential to get tough injuries is still there. The line has been playing better, but when he does anything, almost he has an ankle or shoulder. It's like he's just a preponderance of injuries. I feel like he's the one that before you know it he'll be injured so much that there's no point in him coming back to basically him just to retire. That's what I think is going to happen at some point in time. So at least Jared Goff being benched he kind of used to look at a draw with that one Nothing he's doing per se, except I saw it in Los Angeles. He was in that same spot where his play was just so rough that he got sacked. I feel like with the makeup of Detroit it's not hard for it to happen again. It could definitely happen again. That's where I went and left with that. Lease Curbs are going to bring us home.
Speaker 4:Craziness is what we're going with here.
Speaker 4:We're going to give them all the Super Bowl Just because we're rooting for Detroit here. I hope they pay it out. We're going to go join Love with MVP, mostly because I forgot his first name there for a minute with a brain fart. I'm going to show him a little love. Anyway, let him have that one. So that's where it gets fun. Jalen Hurts is getting traded. Him and AJ Brown have won too many fights. They just say they got to pick one. They go with Brown and Devontae Smith to lead the team. They get rid of Hurts. Lamar Jackson's getting benched as the team hears all the cries for they need to run the ball more, so they just bench him and they just let Derrick Henry carry the ball 30 times a game, every game. Josh Allen loses in the playoffs to the Chiefs for the next three years and says I'm done with this. I hate the cold weather in Buffalo, I'm retiring, I quit, I can't do it anymore. He's out of the league in three years.
Speaker 2:Oh man, there you go. I'm going to blame it all on Kenny Seinfeld.
Speaker 4:That's why I went last.
Speaker 2:That was a fantastic five-pack pull man. We've got to keep this going. We're going to see Shane in a Ben's five-pack pull, because that's a high bar to overcome. Tonight, guys, we went a little longer. Effect poker that's a high bar to overcome, but tonight, guys, we went a little longer. So thank you for you all the listeners and watchers that are hanging with us a little bit. We're going to be gone for the Christmas break. I've never done that on a show. I wore it every single holiday. I'm over that, so we're going to take a Christmas break, spend time with our families. We'll be back the day after New Year's Day, January the 2nd, at our regular time at 7 o'clock that Thursday. Any closing thoughts for the people? Man, as we close the year out, go around the board, give us a shout-out share about your show, however you guys want to do it.
Speaker 4:I got to run. So let me just say this real quick man, I appreciate you guys. It I got to run, so let me just say this real quick I appreciate you guys. I've had a lot of fun on here. I wish you guys all best holidays. Have fun out there, Do whatever. Ben, share some cookies to some people. It would be nice. Shane, just met you on the show. It's been fun. I've enjoyed it the whole year.
Speaker 4:I miss you, Thank you for the opportunity Love you guys, man, y'all have a great night and I've enjoyed it, man, I've enjoyed it.
Speaker 2:Have a good one, man. Thanks brother.
Speaker 1:All right, shane, what you got, man Really just going right off of Herb's coattails. Really enjoyed being around with everybody. Hope, a happy holidays for everyone on the show, as well as the listeners, and I. I'm going to try my best to come up with a five pack poll that could even, you know, touch Herb's last two, it's going to be home, impressive, to say the least.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and don't forget, now we can do a college five pack poll too. Now it's not off the table, I don't know that helps, but we got. Now it's not off the table, I don't know if that helps, but we got that. It's available, ben. What do you got man?
Speaker 3:Thank you everybody for listening. Thank you, yusef, for letting me hop on this show. Every once in a while I get to do it, love doing it, really enjoyed it, enjoyed the football game tonight and enjoy the holidays everyone. Whatever you celebrate, however you do it, enjoy it and have a good time.
Speaker 2:Merry Christmas and happy holidays to all you guys. We love you guys for supporting this show for all of these years and we're excited about what comes up next for 2025. Enjoy the football and enjoy all the sports you like. We'll talk about them on the breaks, we'll just have fun with it. But thanks for supporting us and continue to keep doing so. We really appreciate it. We're going to just have fun with it. Thanks for supporting us and continue to keep doing so. We really appreciate it. We are out of here. Have a great Merry Christmas and a Happy Holiday and we'll catch you in the new year. Happy 2025, baby.
