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Thank you, welcome back. T3 is in the house for the new year 2025. I'm your host. Mr U Herb is in the house, always locked in Shane's on the way, and we're not sure about the rest of the folks. We'll see. I don't think it's going to happen, but long holiday, man, good for you.
Speaker 2:Very good for me. Man Got to see the family, Got to see Raj, Got to see the twins. It was good.
Speaker 1:It looked beautiful man it looked so beautiful. Got to see the twins. It was good it looked beautiful. Man, it looked so beautiful. It's nice seeing them.
Speaker 2:They take more out of Raj's side of the family than me.
Speaker 1:Oh man, it was so good. We're going to have a little bit of a break. We miss you guys watching and listening and joining us simulcasting wherever you're hearing T3 from. We're so excited to be back and locked in for a brand new year A lot of new expectations, a lot of changes that are being discussed, that are going to be launched out on this medium. So stay tuned for that. We're excited about those things too. Moment of word on some of that stuff. But we'll get to it when we get to it. But, man, there's a lot going on. The sugar bowl is in effect. Before we start getting into that, man, we want to just shout out the people in new orleans. Man, what a way to start the year. I couldn't believe it, but we, we live in it. We live in a crazy world, guys, so we do Very sad for them.
Speaker 2:Man, Shout out to the families Definitely prayers and thoughts out for them for sure. That's a tough thing to start off your year, yeah.
Speaker 1:A buddy of mine. He's the assistant strength and conditioning coach for Georgia and they were out there. So I'm like, immediately, I'm thinking they're not out here at 3.15 in the morning. I don't think they are. They got little kids. But I just want to just make sure. But I reached out to them and you know I was thinking all kinds of stuff. It teaches you some places. When you hear that kind of stuff in the news, man, your mind goes places and stuff. But condolences to those families who lost somebody, 14, 15 people, whatever it was, man, it's still a life and it matters. So shout out to those folks, man. But they're playing the game right now. Actually, the game's almost over. They're in the fourth quarter right now. So I'm like this is happening. I thought Georgia was going to get blown out. That's how it started.
Speaker 1:But fortunately they said they're going to you thought Georgia was going to get blown out. I mean at the beginning of the game.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean like they were up by 20.
Speaker 1:I didn't think they were gonna come back from this, but, bro, that wasn't at the beginning of the game, though it was like it was the second quarter. Right, it was the only second quarter had 20 points no yeah, 14, 20 points no, not at this game.
Speaker 2:Score was 6-3 with like a minute before halftime, and then Georgia had the ball and they fumbled on their own territory and Notre Dame, notre Dame scored at the very end of the half they were 13-3 at the half yeah okay, that's right.
Speaker 1:In the third quarter they just started opening up.
Speaker 2:I think they opened it up a little Georgia's. They got a big flag near the goal line In the third quarter.
Speaker 1:They just started opening up In the third quarter. I think they opened it up a little. Yeah, georgia, they got a big flag near the goal line. So when they come back from the break that's going to be a big deal. They probably should score in that moment and they probably would bring them to within three. Yeah, also, where's?
Speaker 2:Coach Wynn, there's not a lot of time left in this game.
Speaker 1:Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2:If they don't score this game, there's not a lot of time left.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they have to actually get a touchdown here. I don't think a field goal is going to help them out right now. Where's Coach Wynn? Is it in the house? Good evening to you, man. Thank you so much. That's a hurt 17. That's still not good. It's not a good number.
Speaker 1:It shouldn't have happened at all. But yeah, there's a lot of things. I watched a press conference. Honestly, I almost feel guilty about even talking about this because of what happened and the severity of what took place. But the press conference was so entertaining I'm like I shouldn't be laughing at them right now, but it was so.
Speaker 1:If you haven't watched a press conference, it's not like any press conference that I've ever seen in my entire life and I've seen plenty of them Coming from the Northeast. I've seen press conferences all the time about something that happened and it's never comedic in any way. But this one between the mayor, the governor, one of the senators, it was straight. If Saturday Night Live did not do a skit on this, they're missing the boat and they're dropping off because they would always catch something like this. This is that kind of thing. You've got to get to see it.
Speaker 1:Check out the press conference. The reporters asked some real dumb questions and the governor and the senator was lighting them up like firecrackers. It was insane. But hopefully you guys get a chance to check it out. I'm not trying to diminish that, but that press conference was straight comedy. So I hope you get a chance to see what's going on in other parts of the world and how cities run their business. It's notable, so I don't know where we started on the first one on in other parts of the world and how cities run their business. It's notable, so I don't know where we started on first one. We got MVP voting. The Pro Bowl snubs. It's all over my social media.
Speaker 2:We have a specific question for you, too, that only you can address.
Speaker 1:You want me to come on for that?
Speaker 2:That's fine, but this question is all for you. You've had what? Almost four or five days to digest.
Speaker 1:I feel like I did a good job of that, when I knew you were going to ask the question.
Speaker 2:I think it's a fair question. Though, I think it's a fair question.
Speaker 1:It's a fair question. It's a fair question. It's a fair question. We'll talk about it. Let's give Shane a chance to jump on. We'll talk about the people who declared for the draft. I have a question for you. As a matter of fact, I was waiting for Shane, but he's way too late. I'm going to give you some stuff now.
Speaker 1:So a lot of folks declared for the draft. Coach declared for the draft. I think. Carson Beckers is in there, tyro McMillan's in there, outstanding wide receiver from Arizona, a lot of Michigan guys in, dylan Gabriel, I think, declared With your boy, jalen Monroe. We're not even surprised by that. We know he would do that. Tell me how you. You had to get into the Alabama game. Unless you just want to, I'm good with that. We got time. We just flow in today. But he declared for the draft. Tell me, tell me your view with him, cause I actually just probably. I feel like it was early in the college football season. I want to say somewhere in the first maybe two or three weeks, it wasn't. It was super early and we talked about it in the preseason. I don't recall exactly when, but you were sharing your thoughts about him. What are your thoughts about him right now going into the draft? Where do you think he's going to slot? Where do you think he brings to the table for a team? If anything, drop it, bill.
Speaker 2:What do you think Raj and I talked about this Monday, so a lot has definitely changed since. I've not relooked at his status At that point. He was slotted in as the third quarterback. We've all kind of agreed Ward and Sanders are going to be the first two, right, I knew the second group was Ewers, beck and Milrow, and at that point and this is three random sites, so take it for what it's worth.
Speaker 2:There was three other. I mean, those three were kind of there and he was at the spot above them. The thing with him is it's super high upside, you know, if you can kind of rate. He throws a great deep ball and he's a great runner, but the mid-range and seeing the field is bad, and I think the second half of the season went downhill. There was like just no improvement. So he's just kind of like a.
Speaker 2:He's been through at least three to four offensive coordinators, right, nobody has been able to fully harness him yet. But at the same time, had he stayed in school and entered the transfer portal, he would have had a lot of offers. He had a lot of offers last year to get into the portal. So he's probably one of the most polarizing enigmas in college football. I said this on Tuesday after the game because we were debating, I don't. I don't think he should have stayed at Bama.
Speaker 2:Okay, this, this coaching staff wants a different type of quarterback. So I think his best, his honest, best bet that hurts me would have been to transfer to another school because that coaching staff would have been recruiting him. You know what I mean. And they're like this is the guy I want. The draft would have been my second option. I see why he's going. He'll get drafted on that, but I'm thinking like second or third round, you know. But my fear is look at what the Colts have done with Anthony Richardson. I don't have a lot of faith in a coaching staff handling Jalen Monroe. So that's my fear for him because, no matter what well, we're irrational fans, you know we we get mad at people who leave, then we get mad at people who stay you know, like we all love the place.
Speaker 1:The end of the day, I want yeah.
Speaker 2:I mean it's, it's, it's true, right. So, end of the day, I want what's best for him and I want him to succeed. I don't feel like he's NFL-ready If they throw him out there first year. I just think that's going to be bad for him. I think that's going to be bad for him. He needs to go to the right spot. Drafting in the second or third round you get a chance to wait on him and stuff. Hopefully that helps him out. But that's where I think second or third round squad has to know what they're doing.
Speaker 1:They need to evaluate it correctly and they need to help develop himself. All right, that's, that's, that's. That sounds pretty close to some of the things. So is there a comparison, nfl comparison you have for him?
Speaker 2:I know, yeah, anthony. Unfortunately it's still Anthony Richardson Because of I think both guys are still running quarterbacks and the accuracy isn't always there. I think that's the problem. Both of them can sling it. If you got a guy 50 yards down the field, I'm like, yeah, he's gonna hit that, that guy, but that guy's like 10 to 20 yards. I just don't have the same faith. So unfortunately, my draft comp has not changed yet from anthony richardson all right, so you feel like richardson doesn't see the field.
Speaker 2:I will either, then, but he had even less starts than jaylen milrow, so I don't always just blame him. But if you take a guy we talked about this before you know if you take a guy with the fourth pick who hasn't had many starts and you throw him right out there like that's just not going to improve, so no, I think the problem is those guys are used to being faster than most of the people. They play right, so you kind of default to especially in high school you probably default to the run a lot. So now I don't think they see the field as well as they could at all.
Speaker 1:Just an update on the Sugar Bowl. Georgia was in the red zone, had an opportunity to score, From what I understand. I took my eyes off the screen for a little bit to do the show. It looks like they didn't go for a field goal. They went for the touchdown instead. Didn't make it.
Speaker 2:It was 4-5. I don't think they had much choice With this much time left in the game and you need two scores field goal you still need two scores. So I don't blame the decision, just I didn't like the play.
Speaker 1:I feel like in this case, you got to get something. Yeah, you can't walk away with nothing. Now you're down 13 with eight minutes left.
Speaker 2:So that's not great. You'd be down, you know. Still 10. With eight minutes left, you still need two scores. I just don't think they have enough time for two scores Now. They might prove me wrong if they hurry up and get a quick stop here, but I don't blame them for going for it. I just don't like.
Speaker 1:you know it was third and seven and you know it's two down territory, you know, stepped up a little bit. I've seen some good defensive plays out of Georgia and they're throwing a deep ball a lot better in the second half. So that would have been a few more points. I don't think it's insurmountable, but they're under it, to say the least.
Speaker 2:It is a first down, I think.
Speaker 1:So you're talking about Richardson. This was so. You're talking about Richard Simmons. It's like I don't feel like he can start anywhere right now either. I think he needs to sit up with somebody, but, honestly, have you heard any teams showing interest? I have no idea where that would be. I don't know.
Speaker 2:I think he would have interest, but I feel like the Colts have failed him. The fourth round of a draft, like first off, you don't usually take a project with the fourth pick, okay, because he didn't have that many starts in college, right then, you don't just throw him out there. Then you're throwing him out there, you're bringing him back, you're throwing, I just. I feel like the organization, you, you knew he was not ready when you drafted him. Why is he starting the first year?
Speaker 1:I don't, I don't, I don't really get that. I don't think they had to do that. I think they had guys that they can. Uh, yeah, I'm not sure if you like ellinger that much, but he was there. He had a little bit of starting experience. He had more than Richardson. I forgot who the other quarterback was when he came through. I'm blanking out on who that was, but they had like about three quarterbacks on the roster before Richardson came. I remember the situation.
Speaker 1:Ellinger was the guy that had what I thought had the most potential. That's why his name comes to mind right now. But he didn't pan out, but he shouldn't have been starting. No, how many seasons did you play, starting in Florida?
Speaker 2:I want to say just the last one, right, because he was a backup before then.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's the right answer One.
Speaker 2:You know. So I just can't blame him. And that's my fear for Monroe.
Speaker 1:Don't put him in that same situation. Any thoughts on Carson Beck? He's getting killed and I can't really defend him. I'm kind of just watching the melee happen. But who is Carson Beck as a quarterback potentially going to the NFL? Because it appears that he declared I feel like he should have stayed, if's options to stay another year. I thought he should have did that. He's not listening to me, he's going in yeah, so that's what he.
Speaker 2:He's a weird one because beginning of the year you're talking about a top five Heisman guy. You know a lot of projections for him. Then it's like the way Bama fans are treating Milroad right now. Georgia fans were treating Beck like that a couple of weeks ago. It just nobody was really talking about it. There's a lot of talk of he got the big head. His play, you know, represented that, that sort of thing. So there was a lot going on as far as that goes. So I'm watching this. We might be punting, we might fake punt. I don't know what we're doing, but the potential is there. You know mobile enough to make you pay. He's got a good arm.
Speaker 2:Georgia, of course, was plagued with the most drops in the country this year, so that didn't help him early on. But through a lot of interceptions and stuff and everything, and, wow, again the flag. But I don't know, man, it's polarizing, maybe not to the degree of Monroe, but it's like was this year really, you got the big head and you, and this is like I said. This is coming from Georgia people I've talked to. This isn't, oh, he's an Alabama guy. They don't like Georgia or whatever. No, this is me actually talking to a couple guys and them talking about yeah, he just he wasn't the same, he wasn't putting in the same, and maybe even some small talks about lost the locker room at times. So that's never what you want to see. You know, call it Georgia offside man. That was our chance to get back into it. So unbelievable.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I won't reach out to my friend for like about a month. I'm getting my whole show Cause he's like he can't come on the show up until the season.
Speaker 2:They got two of them yeah.
Speaker 1:So I'm going to just let him rest and relax over this. Look at this.
Speaker 2:This is great. They got them. They got them. They had the punt unit on the team on the field. They ran in their offense. Last minute george of course had a chance to substitute and then they got him with a hard count. So chance to just burn more clock for them. They don't even really need a first down here now. Notre dame could just run out three plays on it this is, uh, not great.
Speaker 1:All right, so I'm not really sure where I'm at with the guys that have declared. Now I don't know how I feel. Should I be excited, because this is kind of going into the area that we were going to talk about waiting on Shane, but I don't know how long we can wait on him. Now I'm talking about the draft and it's a wise segue into a cat said indeed with the trickery and didn't need it. No, I guess they didn't. Kat, great seeing you. Thanks for jumping on. We appreciate you, as always. Of course, we got people out in New Orleans. Please let us know how they're doing. A lot going on in the city. I'm pretty sure you're close to that.
Speaker 2:All right, herb Beckett declared yes, herb did declare, and so did Beck. Or he said her book. I thought she was saying her, but heard that Beckett actually said her book.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't, I don't know. I guess I have to pay attention to it because of where, where the giants are, where the Giants are, we're talking about things in terms of quarterbacks.
Speaker 2:Are you ready to talk to the Giants?
Speaker 1:I mean, I was trying to wait on Shink. I wanted to give him a chance to chime in, but he wouldn't chime in 30 minutes later. But let me make sure he ain't locked up or nothing like that, because that's happened before too. Oh yeah, this is going to be over. Yeah, I want to make sure he's good. Well, there's no, we're going to move on and come back to it. It's not, I ain't trying to hide from it, it's happening. I just earmarked that to come back to that one. All right. So, yeah, they came to win without a question. All right, so I think we should circle back around from the draft and back to that. All right, so the MVP voting Mm-hmm. Hmm, so I don't know what the numbers look like right now, but I'm assuming that Josh Allen probably has the most votes right now. I think it's an update. I sent you the odds earlier.
Speaker 2:So that was the current as far as that goes, and Josh Allen is the clear favorite odds-wise. You never know what that means later on, but they got Allen as a clear favorite, followed by Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrow, Saquon Barkley, Sam Darnold, I feel like it's going to come down to Allen or Jackson, to be honest.
Speaker 1:And, as of three minutes ago, Lamar Jackson overtook Allen in this tight MVP race, so he's on top right now and I guess it's not really a big shock. Oh wow, Lamar Jackson. That's crazy. His name is in the conversation every single year. It just feels different to me this time around. It could just be me, but if I was voting and I had to pick between Allen and Jackson, I guess you can include Saquon and Burrow too. I really think Burrow is doing some amazing things.
Speaker 2:If he had half a defense he'd be fucking bored, I mean if he had a semblance of a, his wide receiver could possibly win the triple crown, which tells you already about his year and leading in what Touchdown passes and yards and Offensively.
Speaker 1:they got nothing but studs out there. I love me some Chase Brown man. I hope he's there for the long term. I think Joe Burrow does too. That man, forget Mossman, that dude, he's the one. He's the one you want out there. Then you got two wide receivers, who hopefully both of them will still be there, because Higgins is questionable to return back to the team after the season's over. So we'll see how that goes. He said he wants to. I saw a press clip of him, but you know money's lost. You know how that goes.
Speaker 2:Can I say this If you're going to build your team on all offense and no defense, you got to keep the offense together, because if you're not going to sign H higgins, you better sign like three defenders to replace him.
Speaker 1:So it's, it's not gonna work the other way that that sounds great if we talk about somebody other than cincinnati. Yeah, because that that never seems to happen. It's been, I say, three years, it might even be four years, where they had clear issues in the trenches on both sides of the ball and they don't solve it. Now their financial ledger is going to say they spent money. Just to be clear, their ledger is going to say we spent money on these positions.
Speaker 1:When you go and look, you ain't going to see no bang for your buck. You can see somebody that you even recognize. Everybody's going to be basically invisible men on that field. You can't tell that they were even there. So the trenches have been a problem for a long time. So you're totally right on that man. But I'm giving joe burrow a lot of uh credit in there. I guess I don't know where I would put. I guess maybe put him forth in this, but he's, he's in, he's, he's up there in that because of records because of records, stuff that is out of his control, because I'm not even a Borough fan.
Speaker 2:I get it, obviously I'm a Chase fan, but that's only because of fantasy football. But the things that are being affected are wins and losses. But if you come to me and tell me that this man is not doing everything he can to affect the wins, like I said what I said leader in touchdown passes, leader in yardage, high completion percentage, completion percentage yep, still top five and completion percentage. So he's not just throwing. You know a thousand passes and complete half, you know he's doing. Unless they ask him to suit up there and start tackling folks, I don't know what else he could possibly do and he might still drag this team into the playoffs.
Speaker 1:So yeah, you know how the mvp awards are man yeah, man, the game last week, man, that was a big deal. He did. They really, they really showed out man and put himself in the position to potentially, after this week, maybe be in the playoff plan. I think, I think need some help for some other teams. But yeah, barrel has been, he's been incredible man. So I, I don't know, what do you? What are you thinking about the whole? Uh, as things look right now, I guess jackson is first, now alan is second barkley.
Speaker 2:And then where did alan? Where did jackson go up at?
Speaker 1:cbs sports. Okay, it was only about three minutes ago and you know how that works. It doesn't have to even be that long. It can change again, but I don't know.
Speaker 2:Tony Romo had the most interesting comment on it about it. I don't know if you caught whatever game he was on this weekend, I can't remember, it was random. I think we were driving home on Sunday. So he said I think right now Allen will win it. He said because voters are human, jackson already has two, allen has none. He said I think they'll vote for Allen. He said if Allen had two and Jackson had none, I think they'd vote for Jackson. He said it's just human nature and I couldn't really argue with that. I do think that that come. I saw that happen in NBA with Jokic and you know him having won two in a row and people be like, eh, I don't think he's ready for three in a row, especially without winning a title. So I feel like I like that logic and Allen would get the vote right now.
Speaker 1:I feel like that's I mean, I guess I'm most of humans as well Lamar Jackson has. He's one of them guys where it's like the potential's always been there, you know to take the team to a Super Bowl, even when he got drafted. I laughed when he said it. But when he got drafted he's talking about you're getting a Super Bowl. The Ravens just got a Super Bowl by bringing me. You know, I'm like okay, 28th pick in the draft near the end of the first round of my Super Bowl. Already I'm like okay, I didn't pay no attention. I didn't pay no attention, but honestly, they had opportunities. They had the kind of team that you know what.
Speaker 1:This is a Super Bowl contender. He's MVP. But you know what that means to me? What that means to me because my human eyes said this man doing all the work, so yeah, he's the MVP. Like we said many times on many shows, we don't want that man doing 50% of the running. We don't want him to be the leading rusher on this team. We don't want that. If that's not good, that means he can get hit more.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we've seen that what happens on running quarterbacks. You've seen it.
Speaker 1:Yes, so we didn't want that.
Speaker 2:So for him to be the MVP, you tell me, does that mean that he's doing what we don't want him to do right now? Is that why he's the MVP? I think it's honestly because of the spectacular plays that you see. The yardage is better this year and he's passing a little bit more, but I think you're seeing more of the splash plays from him, not necessarily running the, hanging out in the pocket, stuff like that.
Speaker 2:My issue is always going to be and it's not fair because it is a regular season award but he's got to do something in the, in the, in the playoffs. For me, you know what I mean. It's, it's and I keep going back to the nba example but that's what happened to jokic. They didn't want him to win three in a row without having ever won a title, so they gave it to mb instead. But for me, to what? Yeah, and that's why I said the human, the human factor of stuff comes in, you know. But like I got to see something from Jackson in the playoffs, I just have to. And does his coaching staff hold him back? You just never know.
Speaker 1:And the defensive part too, the defensive part we have questions about. We've had some questions about the defensive part and the running game and you got somebody who is maybe a 265-pound monster.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:And you let him go out there like he's playing pillow, like he's pillow-fighting people. Let him go out there and win people over. So we're going to see. That's what's going to happen this year, because last year it didn't happen.
Speaker 2:They forgot they had running backs last year.
Speaker 1:They forgot all about it. They had three of them and they were all very, very good. They forgot all about it. They had three of them and they were all very, very good. They forgot all about all of them. Everybody kept their job. Don't understand how that happened.
Speaker 2:I don't think the coaching staff gets enough blame in Baltimore. I feel like people like us talk about it, but it doesn't seem to be nationally enough. Come on, man, you can't look down the bench and miss Derrick Henry. You know what I mean. You just can't look down the bench and miss Derrick Henry. You know what?
Speaker 1:I mean, I did your eyes checked. I'm laughing at the Rapers. If they don't do it and you know what it is if they don't do it, I ain't even talking about Super Bowl. If they don't let Henry go off and let the chips fall where they may, they're going to be talking about it on the national stage. Because you ain't getting around this, you went and got him.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I like Dobbins and Gustavus. I was cool with that. You know what I'm saying. But you went and got him. You said you know what we're going to upgrade because we think we can do better out here. Okay, you got to use this man. Then If you don't use him, it's a big indictment of them if you don't use him. Yeah, I think they've been saving him in certain games. I've been watching this. They've been kind of preserving his energy. Okay, well, now this is it. There's no more preserving, there's no more load management in the NFL. You got to let this man run all the way to wherever they're going Playoffs, a Super Bowl berth, whatever it is Let this man run. If you don't do it, we are going to skewer this team on a grill.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you're right, but they're going to deserve it. They're going to deserve it, they're going to be deserved.
Speaker 1:They got to do it. Now the human part of me is saying you know what? I think Allen's doing something that's more spectacular to me because everybody was talking about. As a matter of fact, I was one of them. I don't know what show it was on, but I'll just full confession. I said the Bills was going to be in trouble, Not because of not having Diggs, but because you don't have Diggs and you don't have Davis either, and you got rid of Mitch Morse.
Speaker 2:I was saying y'all, but to your point, those were your top two receivers. Actually, no matter what you think about them, those were your top two, so your point was valid.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and one of the best centers in the game. In my opinion, you let him go too. And those are not the only three guys. There's somebody else who I'm blanking out on. There's one or two other guys that were pivotal on their team, or two other guys that were pivotal on their team, and they were all going like, wow, this team got stripped, they're going to be in trouble. And Josh Allen got these guys at the top of the division legit Super Bowl contenders. I think they can do it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I've got my respect this year, not that he cared about what I think about him, but I thought he was overrated up until this year. Now I've shut up about him. That's okay. You, you, you lost almost everything, and you've proved me wrong, and you've cut down on the turnovers. He's been a machine. I do have a question about him, though. What do you think about him starting the game and coming out just to preserve his game started streak?
Speaker 1:who Allen?
Speaker 2:yeah, he's gonna play like one series and this is oh just so you can preserve his games. Play his game. Started streak.
Speaker 1:I guess it's okay. I don't think he's hurting nobody by doing that. I mean, okay, I don't know who the backup is. I guess we better find out who that is.
Speaker 2:No, no, I don't think it's about Because they have nothing to gain from the game. It's just so he can get out there, so he can say I've started 77 games in a row and keep his streak alive 77 games.
Speaker 1:I wonder how much he cares.
Speaker 2:I don't know what the number is. I didn't look at the number. I'm just saying that is what it is. How many games in a row?
Speaker 1:Mitch Trubisky is back there. Okay, yeah, man, go ahead and keep the streak. I mean, it's all about legacy and stuff too.
Speaker 2:Go ahead and keep the streak alive 114 straight regular season and postseason games Wow. You'd have to go for a decade, though, to break Brett Favre's record of 321.
Speaker 1:I doubt it's even on his radar At this point. You've got to get a Bill franchise that's going to four straight Super Bowls and have not won them. All he's on his mind is doing that, you know. My other question, before we move on, is how is this happening? Now? It's just head coach to get credit for this? Or it's just Josh Allen figuring some stuff out and maturing as a quarterback, because I don't know who to credit for this. This is a dramatic turnaround.
Speaker 2:I feel like Josh Allen deserves most of the credit. No disrespect to the coaches, but I think sometimes you just have to realize like, okay, if the because didn't we talk about that? One of our things has their Super Bowl window closed and I think we all agreed that it had. That was one of the segments that we did and I think for him you have to realize if I want that window to stay open, I got to change what I'm doing. I can't change completely what I'm doing. I still got to be a gunslinger. I still got to be mobile. I still got to get out there and make great plays, but I can't put our defense in terrible positions all the time, so I got to take better care of the ball. So I think sometimes it's just a mental thing. You have guys who step up you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we've watched McDermott in certain situations. I'm not going to use a bad coach. I always felt like he had one foot out of the door, so to me it's like I can't believe that he turns it all around in the way that he coaches. That's what we see inside, so it's basically a lack of a better answer than Allen. I have to say. Josh Allen is doing something different here.
Speaker 2:So yeah, that's what I think.
Speaker 1:So we can keep moving. All right. So the MVP book. Right now I don't know who's going to win this, but I got Allen in it for myself, with Burrow right behind him, and then I got Barkley, and then I got Jackson. That's kind of how I see it. I haven't watched a whole lot of Eagles games. I don't really know. I know what Barkley is doing numbers-wise, but I don't know if he's contributing to them winning games. That's not my point at all, but I don't know if that's the sole reason why it's happening, because I feel like it has to be for me to say you know what? He's the MVP of the entire league.
Speaker 2:I think they'd have to put a gun to your head to get you to vote for Barkley. Though, anyway, I can tell you that Barkley had run for 2,000 yards and thrown for 2,000 yards, you wouldn't get that many of your votes. You wouldn't get that many of your votes.
Speaker 1:I'm not in the camp of oh, we hate Barkley, you left us and we hate you. No, I'm not. I ain't at that place. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:I would have loved for him to have been there, but honestly look at their old line compared to ours, and that was my point at the beginning of the year. He wouldn't be doing that with New York, you know he wouldn't.
Speaker 1:I don't know what he'd be doing. He might be hurt, I don't know. I think I see MVP different than other people. What would a running back have to do to win MVP, though? It's kind of like what happens with the Heisman. It's tough to give it to certain positions. It really never, ever, ever happens.
Speaker 2:Why not? It's a quarterback award. Yeah, it never, ever happens. Why?
Speaker 1:not, it's a quarterback award, yeah, so I'm like there's not so many quarterbacks in the top four in this race. It's really hard. That's why I got Barkley. What can he do? 2000 is great. I mean, it's been done historically, but not recently. It's a big deal in recent history. I don't know what he can do. I don't know you can do. I don't know you have to score all of the points. I don't know how that works.
Speaker 2:He's going to have to start throwing some passes, playing some defense.
Speaker 1:My heart's a drop shower on this one. I got to keep going with that. I think he's going to win Bobo, all right. So just to be clear, there's no misconception about this. There ain't going to be no tweets coming out of me. I'm not watching the Pro Bowl. I started watching the Pro Bowl a long time ago, a long, long, long time ago, and I'm going to continue to keep that train going, because as long as they got pillow fights out here, I'm not watching that.
Speaker 2:I'm not doing nothing to that I think at this point it's just so, like the people who have contract incentives for making the Pro Bowl. It's something to go on your resume, but it don't matter if you're playing the game or not.
Speaker 1:But the snubs are always notable. How do you figure out that this person should be in? This person shouldn't be in Guys like Brian Thomas and Baker Mayfield. They've been going off and well, the Jags aren't anything.
Speaker 2:And that's what kept them out. Let's be honest, that's what kept them out. That man had no shot.
Speaker 1:You think his numbers alone were good enough to get him even as an alternate?
Speaker 2:Because they wouldn't let the fans start the vote, and the press picks it up. So no, let me go just a different route.
Speaker 1:because they wouldn't let the fans start the vote and the press picks it up. So, nah, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me. Gorgeous, a different route. I got. I got the list in front of me who actually got, I don't know who didn't get in. Maybe you have that in front of y'all, have that in front of me quite yet, but the wide receiver that got in out of the afc, jamar chase, totally warranted yep, after that you got jerry judy now, that's a weird one nico collins go blue and zay flowers now so I don't like.
Speaker 2:No, you want me to break them down, or how do you want me to approach this?
Speaker 1:I'm trying to get you to tell me do you think brian thomas couldn't have got in with any of the other?
Speaker 2:people so. So my original argument was without looking at the pro ball, because I've been at work, you know, so I haven't looked at it. I've seen the blurbs come across on snubs. I haven't looked at the rest, so let me okay.
Speaker 2:First off, jerry Judy kills my argument about you being a losing team because you play on the Browns, you know. So that hasn't been better. Zane Flowers I didn't even know you were playing this year and that's obviously a jest. Obviously, I know you're playing. But when you talk about the Reds, you talk about Lamar and you talk about Derrick Henry. I don't know anything notable that he's done. And what was my other Nico? And Nico got hurt this year, you know what I mean. So he missed games. This isn't an indictment on any of these players, you know what I mean, but it is a who's actually playing better, and these are not the names that I thought would have. This goes to show you what happens if you don't actually look at the list before you kind of bring it up. Brian Thomas is fifth in yards. I know Jerry Judy was sixth, so at least I get that one. But that means Nico and, like Zay, Flowers is down at 16th, nico's down at 22nd. Nico doesn't even have 1,000 yards.
Speaker 1:So that feels more like a fan vote than a. Winston has been airing it out, so I get that. I'm not even going to say nothing about Judy. They're on a losing team. If you don't want them to be voted in and have a losing record, then I get that. But if it's on individual credits Grinson's been in and out and Judy's been the number one on his team since they started this duo between them and Cleveland I think he should get that. Nico, I'm totally down with Nico. Love me some gold blue, that ain't an issue, but he don't have the kind of numbers that Brian Thomas got right now, thomas so just breaking it down, afc, your list actually go yardage wise.
Speaker 2:Jamar chase, brian thomas, jerry judy and you look at brian thomas and jerry judy they they've had the worst, uh, quarterback situations. So to me you got to give more respect on both of those. Trevor Lawrence hasn't been out there their entire time, I don't know. Tell us who's throwing Judy the ball next week.
Speaker 1:The guy with three names. I can't always forget his name. The guy with Dory no.
Speaker 2:I think they're starting somebody else. Next week they're going for quarterback number four on the year. What up, Shane? What's?
Speaker 3:up Shane.
Speaker 2:What up Shane? What's up Kano? What up boys?
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, we're talking about snubs right now, just so you can get caught up. And I read the list of the wide receivers that are in and I question why Brian Thomas was in. We got Jerry Judy's in, nico Collins is in and Zay Flowers is in, but not Brian Thomas.
Speaker 2:Bailey Zappy. I think that's Shane's old boy.
Speaker 1:I got the notification. Bailey Zappy, I forgot he was even on the team. Yeah, I thought he was still in New England.
Speaker 3:So did he yeah.
Speaker 1:Even sir, that's fair.
Speaker 2:Brian Thomas is also tied for second in touchdowns with two other people.
Speaker 1:Okay, they messed up. This is the faux pas. See, people can get mad about Baker and I heard the comments about that but honestly, are you moving Goff, daniels or Darnold out for Baker? I think Baker's been doing good, but are you moving any of them guys out for that? That's not a hill I want to die on, but that Brian Thomas one. That one is messed up. It's not just a snub, you messed up. You put Zay Flowers over Brian Thomas. There's no reason statistically why Flowers should be in Flowers over Brian Thomas. There's no reason statistically why Flowers should be in there over Brian Thomas. I don't care what his quarterback situation is. Mack Jones is helping him keep his numbers up. Zay Flowers can't even say nothing close to that this year. Why is he in there over that? With Collins he was out for how many games it was? It was a little chunk. At least three games he was out.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like I said, he hasn't even broke 1,000 yards yet, so he's played five less games than everybody else up there.
Speaker 1:And I don't think he's going to do that this week either. So Brian Thomas is out here with almost an 1,100-yard category, isn't he?
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Why is he not in?
Speaker 2:That's just crazy to look at. Yeah, he's close to 1,200. 20 more yards gets him 1,200 on the year.
Speaker 1:I'm just I'm baffled by that one, Because that one doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. A lot of the other stuff it's fine, All that stuff is good, but that's the one area where it's like. Guys like Kyron Williams I mean this guy's been a stud for the Rams, Guess what. He's not in the Pro Bowl. Yeah, but he's got to beat out Barkley, gibbs and Josh Jacobs.
Speaker 2:That's a tough one. Yeah, that's tough. That's tougher than your wide receiver argument. Those are three good names right there. You weren't going to beat Barkley, and Gibbs has been dynamic, playing on a great team okay, I'm good with that, numbers wise.
Speaker 1:Does he have a shot, kyron? Williams than Jacobs and Gibbs, because Allen knew their numbers. I wouldn't even be sure that either one of them hit 1,000, yet I think Williams did Williams is number two, josh Jacobs is four, jameer Gibbs is five.
Speaker 3:Four yeah.
Speaker 2:You don't have the biggest break between those two. Plus, gibbs is probably going to give you a lot more passing yards too, with the receiving yards, I would think too. I think your argument is as good as that as it is for Brian Thomas. I can see those three names being ahead of him.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't have anybody else to kind of beat the drum for I think Daniel Hunter should have been a lot closer than where he perhaps was. Maybe he should have been a lot closer than what he perhaps was. Maybe he should have got in, but that's a battle for a different day. But that Brian Thomas one is one of the worst. All right, shano, so we don't have to jump into anything regarding the NFL's Pro Bowl snubs. I think we can move on. You good with that man, you with us moving forward.
Speaker 3:I think, like you guys said I mean brian thomas is the name that sticks out to you, especially what he's done rookie campaign, uh, you know, not really thought of before. Uh, and I mean, like you mentioned, are you maybe the only weapon in that offense right now? Yes, but um to, to not make it with some of those other wide receivers. This has been a down year for you know, when I think about it, for wide receivers, you, you had some young guys that have really popped up and got their yardage, and then you have jamar chase, but other than that, not a not a huge receiving year this year.
Speaker 1:No, absolutely, absolutely all right. Well, a few more things I want to get into before we get into our predictions. Now we're going to talk about a question that herb had for me that I'm sure you want to chime in on. Before we do that, I want to talk a little bit. Black monday now this is, this is coming upon us in a matter of days here. What's this? We're talking about? What?
Speaker 1:Four days from now, some coaches are going going to be put out on that street, and the list goes as follows Doug Peterson, antonio Pierce, brian Dayball, gerard Mayo, mike McCarthy, zach Taylor and Shane Strike. I think those are the ones that are the only ones I think that are on the firing line. I think universally, it might kind of feel like Doug Peterson should be the first one. I don't know if you guys feel the same way with that. I'm surprised that they let him continue to hang on as long as he did. I'm like, for what? Let somebody be in the room? It's not making it any worse. All you can do is go up. He's still there, not quite sure what that's about, but if you guys feel differently about that, let me know. But overall, with this list of coaches who you think should be hanging out, who you think should get another shot, who you think should be long gone from now? Out of that list peterson pierce dayball, pierce Dayball, mayo Striking, mccarthy and Zach Taylor.
Speaker 2:Pierce I wouldn't fight for, but he also has one of the worst situations and no management whatsoever, so that one is weird and I didn't want to comment on Mayo, because I know that's Shane's, but it seems quick for Mayo. They find their quarterback of the future and they've got a high draft pick it is quick so those are the first two that jumped out to me you know, plus and I, I think exactly like you're saying, herb, it's quick, because you already knew you were getting a brand new head coach.
Speaker 3:Like, what's your, what's your guess? You know, if you don't give him a season, you don't give him anything, then why even make that? It really just shows, if that's the way they go, that you really just wanted Bilicek out and you would put anybody in there to be able to fulfill that as to really give him a choice. The ones that pop out to me is like and I mentioned this on Ben's podcast like Zach Taylor, if you're a Bengals fan and you've had to put up with what the Bengals have done to Joe Burrow these last couple of years, you're almost wishing not to make the playoffs with how well they've played. Because if you make the playoffs, it's going to be hard for them to let Zach Taylor go Right, because and not through anything he's done, literally through jamar chase and joe burrow just going. We're just gonna go off. Yeah, as long as you guys can keep everybody else under 40, we're gonna.
Speaker 2:We're gonna be which is a tough task for you guys apparently it is because they're not playing any defense.
Speaker 3:They're not playing any defense. But I think those are the ones you look at. You know, like I think I think shane steichen and brian dable are kind of in the same boat, where it depends on what that gm move is going to be. You know, if you get a gm that's that wants a brand new guy, then you're going to make, you're going to cut bait, you're going to, you're going to go on there, you, you know, I think there's a good chance that both New York teams are new head coaches, new GMs, coming into the new year. So I don't think that sits well for Dable.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the Jets definitely have to, I think, get a new GM, because that's terrible, it's interesting on that list too. I'm sorry. Go ahead, shane.
Speaker 3:Okay no, no, I completely agree. Like the the jets right now, other than that, you know, woody johnson's teenage son is running the show yeah and in between what aaron rogers is doing. You know they've got to completely reset how that team's run agreed agreed the.
Speaker 2:The funny thing about this list is I think mccarthy should have never been brought back. I think he should be let go, but in a weird way, the way the team fought after Dak went down might be the reason why he ends up keeping his job, because the team didn't quit on him. They just had so many injuries they couldn't overcome. I still think he's. You know people like those three, 12 and five seasons in a row and that one Super Bowl he won with Green Bay. Those are going to be the things that he holds on to. I feel like a new voice is needed, but I feel like he's going to keep his job because of that.
Speaker 1:You're listening to me.
Speaker 1:I feel like the Gerard Mayer one. That one is weird to me. I'm not deep in there, shane, you know more about that than I do. It felt like it was a half-hearted attempt to have some uh, new england history at the helm of the head coach position and I kind of feel like and I know there's some people clamoring for him, but I heard them, I think we all did if we were listening but but I don't know. I kind of feel like just what I've seen when they had that rough stretch where they were trying to figure out where Nicole was set, it kind of felt like they changed their mind real quick. I'm like man, that's kind of soon. Give it a little bit of time. This is a former patriot right here. Give him some time. I kind of feel like for me. I think he should have that.
Speaker 1:I kind of feel the same way about Pierce too, just for a different reason. I mean, they've been a nightmare in management and drafting. It's just been nuts and their quarterback situation has been awful. I mean, who they throwing out there right now? You now Desmond Ritter. This is not cute. You can't put it all out on Pierce. You should have fixed this problem.
Speaker 1:This is his 10th year coaching. He's new to this. Still, if you're going to entrust him, give him some weapons and give him a shot. At least give him three years to figure some stuff out. Same with Mayo Put some stuff around him with some high graphics or whatever. People obviously want to come and play for him.
Speaker 1:I mean, it was almost a chance that we didn't. I don't think. I think one of you guys didn't think that IU was really going to come over there. But I mean they had the money to bring him over there and it they had the money to bring him over there and it felt like it was picking up steam. But you know, at the end San Fran came in and you know when you got to stay home, it's easier to stay home than to move into a new place. Anyway, you get more money too, so that makes sense. But Mayo and Pierce, they should get a shot to hang out. I don't have. No, I'm not married to him whatsoever. I'm like hey, bye, you know what I'm saying. They probably need somebody who's more of a quarterback whisperer, because Richardson needs some help out there. Somebody help him through this process. I mean some guys, some former quarterbacks that I can say right now their name, but I'm not trying to break a story, but they can. If they were the head coach, they'd help out Richardson tremendously. Mike McCarthy.
Speaker 3:Yeah, go ahead. Well, it's good. I'm going to play off of probably what you're about to say too, but when you're talking about the Colts, I think a lot of this falls on Chris Ballard. So you know, with the way that he's drafted, with some of the moves he's made, with going through, you know, veteran quarterbacks and not really getting anything out of it, it seems like the players haven't given up on stiking. I think that's the one thing that Pierce has on his side is that there's no rumblings outside of that team that he's not the guy they want to play for.
Speaker 1:They just have no talent. Can we question how the offense is running.
Speaker 3:Can we, can we question who my quarterback is? Um, you know those are things, but, like you said, I mean that's you have a g. You had mayock as a gm. You switch out of that. You had gruden as a coach. You switch out of that. You know that that team has never had a chance to rest.
Speaker 3:Mccarthy, like Herb said, the thing that really falls on me is he's a middle ground coach. He's going to get you into the playoffs, but you get a Super Bowl where Aaron Rodgers went off to be able to get through that playoff for them to win that Super Bowl, but he's going to be just good enough for you never to get the draft picks. You need to get over the top. You're always going to be middle ground with him. He'll make it the first round of the playoffs and then you're out, first round playoffs, out. And there's always going to be a reason, there's always going to be an excuse, and that's what happened in green bay. They're like well, why are we sitting in this same situation? You know, like if we're going to be middle of the ground, then then let's be middle of the ground with something else.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's a good point, though that's an excellent point.
Speaker 1:I feel like this is going to be weird for me to say this, but I'm going to go ahead and just be honest about it. Man, I don't think he should be let go. He's not the reason why they're not moving into the postseason and whatever. I don't think it's really on him. I mean, the three seasons he was there, their records has been what? 12, 13?
Speaker 2:12 and 5, yeah, three years in a row.
Speaker 1:What else do you want? I mean there's going to be some coaching involved in a postseason run, but I mean the players got to do stuff too. People got to be healthy. A lot of stuff got to play a part. I mean, honestly, I'm not advocating for him to get fired, man. That man, he's not hurting y'all. Jerry Jones is hurting y'all.
Speaker 3:Well, that's the thing, though You're in a different situation being a Cowboy head coach. Like, no matter how good you do, the man that runs that team is always going to want you to be second fiddle to him. You know he is 100% sure that he's the star of that team. He's the owner that wants to be involved. You know he's gotten rid of every super bowl winning coach he's had, so because jerry wants to be the star that.
Speaker 3:that tells you how that thing and, like I said, I with with what herb said I I probably would have made, if you're going to get rid of him, I would would have made that move last year and I would have reset the entire way we did the team. But you keep him around. You sign Dak Prescott back up. We get CD Lantz.
Speaker 2:And you say we're going all in he didn't make any Exactly.
Speaker 3:You set him up for failure he didn't make any decision to put us in one direction.
Speaker 2:Yep, he basically set him up for failure. And then it's like Jerry Jones, if he doesn't fire McCarthy, then he's basically saying hey, he's just saying well, the injuries were all fault, or? B. Hey, it's all my fault, and I know Jerry Jones ain't gonna say it's all his fault, but he set him up for failure. He set him up for failure this year, for sure.
Speaker 1:It's an absolute disaster.
Speaker 3:I mean, this is a man that built that stadium and I'll give it to him. It is a beautiful stadium. It's a great stadium to see a game in, but when he tells you that the sun doesn't come in the windows the same way every time, like the man built the stadium, it's always been a problem. The players always complain about it. The players don't like being in that stadium because he's turned it into a tourist destination. They're running tours through there all the time, like you're having practice. The cheerleaders are out there, people can walk through the locker rooms Like everything is going on at that stadium. It's 100% Jerry world, just like he likes it. But the thing is, if you're going to do that, that then when people come back at you for things like that, you got to have a better answer than I'm going to do it my way.
Speaker 3:Right, and that's how he's always been, and that's why coaches and players don't stick in dallas, because they're going to go look. They're going to go look to where I'm not going to catch hell.
Speaker 2:Every single time something happens you know, if your goal is just to be an attraction, to make money, that's fine, he's doing it perfectly. But don't don't complain about the product on the field not being the same when you're not running your organization like any of the top organizations bingo yeah, you're just trying to boost your evaluation on forbes yeah, okay, the dowboys are now worth 50 billion dollars, then you're doing a great job.
Speaker 3:But if you're if you're trying to win championships. You're not helping yourself at all.
Speaker 2:No, he just wants some good Yelp reviews, that's all All right, we're going to segue a little bit.
Speaker 1:So, rather than go into predictions, we're going to just bypass that this week. I'm going to touch on Brian Dayball. I'm going to let Herb ask his question and we'll kind of go into this, because to me, I feel like and this is I don't think I've changed positions on this whatsoever I feel like Dayball and Shane were tied together. I think I probably said it on Twitter. Somewhere in the underworld of Twitter, I got a post that says that I'm sure somewhere they tied together and you have to have them together or leave together. It can't be one or the other. I kind of feel that way. I still feel that way. I think dayball leaving is going to be weird if shane is still there and vice versa.
Speaker 1:So, uh, in that regard, we're at a place now where we're looking up in the draft. We won a game last week. Clearly, you can see and this is why I think Dayball might have some saving grits because those guys were so excited playing for each other. I'm not sure if it's even connected to Dayball, it might just be a team thing, a player thing, but they were all playing for each other and you could tell they were legit, excited for each other, scoring touchdowns and celebrating and throwing each other up in the air. They were really into it. It was palpable how much they were really excited about getting a W and playing like a team that they knew they should be playing like. That being said, we're looking up in the draft and we're looking up in the top upper echelon of the draft this year in April and we're looking for a quarterback, and I mentioned it once about how I thought I think he'd be a good quarterback for Dayball to work with. It might be somebody who might remind him or somebody he used to work with before, how it would be a good fit for him. But Alla is staying another year in Penn State apparently, so I didn't realize that. So I'm like, oh, that leaves us with Quinn Ewers, carson Beck, dylan Gabriel and Jackson Dart.
Speaker 1:So I'm like I'm not excited about most of those things I'm seeing all over Twitter now about Kyler Murray and Sam Darno and I'm like I don't know what's going on, what's going to happen here. There's a lot of things that we can do. We can get McMillan and then get a free agent quarterback in the draft. We can do a whole bunch of different stuff. I don't know what we're going to do. If Trevor Hunter falls that far, we can get him and do the same thing with free agent quarterback out there, somebody with somebody, I mean, or hope that one of the two guys falls to us. But the eagles are sitting there, guys, or they sit in saquon, at least this week so, or this week coming up. So that means that either we're gonna go out there with all of our starters which I don't see how that most of them are hurt anyways, so we're gonna sit all of our main guys and then go ahead and take this L. Oh, I don't know what they're going to do. I honestly don't know.
Speaker 2:Hunters playing quarterbacks for both teams.
Speaker 1:I mean, you can have Dable playing D-line. We can do a whole bunch of different stuff, but you had a question about the Giants that you feel like only I can answer. So go ahead, we'll go ahead and close out.
Speaker 2:You touched on a little bit of it, and it kind of goes to the tanking thing, why it's so much harder to tank in football. A lot more guys out there. There's some personal incentives for certain people. You don't have guaranteed contracts, so guys are going to play their all a lot of times, regardless of who's out there. So the Giants go out and win a game For the fans. They need that kind of stuff. You know you want to see your team win right. Was the win, though, and the feelings from that, worth dropping from the first to the fourth spot in a draft where there's probably only two guys you want in the first round? That's a legit. That's not a no-sh. That is an honest like. I don't know how I would feel. You know what I mean. Is the present more more important than the future? Doesn't?
Speaker 2:matter either way, like how were you honestly feeling? Oh, there's two different feelings the feelings on game day, right, and then the feelings like four days after when you process okay.
Speaker 1:Well, when it was happening because I've kind of gotten off the watching Giants games magically because they've been doing bad I haven't seen too many games on my TV set. Strangely, they've been showing a lot less. I don't know how that happens, but I was catching. You know, through an NFL game they always see like little clips and it was showing them. You know they were them and the Colts were kind of punching back and forth and the Giants were breaking away and Malik had two touchdowns and Juan there had a touchdown and we started to pile up. Jude Locke was just lighting up out there. It was very, very strange, bizarre, to say the least. But when it happened and I saw the score and I saw all the highlights and everything, just saw the last bit of the game, I'm like I ain't gonna lie to you, man I was like I was torn a little bit but I was happy. I'm like this is the team that. I said this on Twitter. Most times I don't get a whole lot of retweets and stuff because people don't agree with it. I don't really care, but the truth of the matter is that if you look at the game, that we lost, quarterback is the difference in almost every one of those losses it was not no offensive line, it was just quarterback play, simple. I see an open guy, I hit him. We're talking about a 9, 10 maybe well, I won't say 11, but at least a 10 win team right here with anything from a decent to effective quarterback play. I still believe that.
Speaker 1:So when I saw them celebrate, I'm like, oh my God, I didn't think it would be Drew Locke. Never crossed my mind, maybe. I thought it was going to be DeVito, but it felt great I was. I think I almost cheered up a little tiny bit. For a game it doesn't even matter. I'm like that's what we're missing. That's the feeling, that's the emotion, that's the intensity, that's the smash mouth we're going to fight. I'm missing that.
Speaker 1:So I was excited about that initially. I look at it after. I'm like, okay, everybody's posting it and it's all just posting Twitterverse. It's really their fault. I'm blaming them completely. They've flooded my Timeline where it's all we for. Now. It's the worst franchise ever and it's like that boom, boom, boom Constantly, that kind of Domina antenna. I'm like Are we really like? Is that where we At really are? We set back 10 more years Because we won a game? I'm like'm like. I don't think so. You know why I don't think so. To answer your question, I don't think that we have set our franchise back 10 years because I watched Washington Commanders that's how I know and long day in our division, I'm always going to be confident.
Speaker 1:Look what they did. They were in the same place. As a matter of fact, they looked a lot worse. Sam Howard was a shell. He was getting killed out there and he could find the open man, unlike Daniel Jones. He was getting killed out there and they went with just one draft. And so Friesen would bring him and Bobby Wagner and drafting Mikey Stanristil and Jaden Daniels, and they're in my playoffs. So it can be done. It's just a matter of, you know, getting some efficiency at quarterback. I don't think we even have to have the quote-unquote, the most elite quarterback. You tell me guys. You guys may be more in tune. I don't know who that is in this draft. I don't know if it's Shador. These guys are elite.
Speaker 2:I don't. That's your problem. It's a weak quarterback draft. That's why the second round of it is what you're talking about there. I don't know, and that's what I really hope for the Giants is. I hope that there's not a panic move to move up from four to two in this draft.
Speaker 1:I don't think we have enough to be given out. We need so much stuff. I hope we don't do that kind of stuff either.
Speaker 2:That's what I'm saying. Yeah, by the way, I do have a quick question for Shane before we log out too, then, based on that.
Speaker 1:Did I answer the question?
Speaker 2:Kind of you would have been a roundabout way. I think you're saying you're okay with winning and being at the four spot, but I really couldn't tell you gave the kind of the politicians.
Speaker 1:Come on, did he not?
Speaker 2:he gave kind of the politicians answer with I, I, I agree with you.
Speaker 3:I think that he like he said you know, I felt the emotion I felt the excitement of that, but but every other word that he said besides that moment was like it might have been really good for us to be able to do all these other things we needed to do, that the first pick would have helped us.
Speaker 1:Okay, all right.
Speaker 2:So I honestly don't know how you feel.
Speaker 1:All right, but I agree with you though, yusuf, I'm not scared. We're sitting at four. Did I answer the question? Yeah, I'm not scared.
Speaker 1:We're sitting at four. Did that answer the question? Yeah, I'm not afraid, because we got to build this team in so many levels. I'm not afraid of this. I mean honestly, right now, if we took a million at four, I would be happy Because we need that. We don't have no height at wide receiver and he's 6'5". Great hands, deep ball catcher, great catch radius. We need that. It's not like we're doing fine without it, we need it. All the guys we got like a 5'9 and 5'10 on the team. We need to have that. So that's good. I'm not scared of that.
Speaker 1:The quarterback situation if they get somebody in the second round and they get somebody, that's good. I really want to allocate. I feel like he best fit what I think Dayball wants to do, because since he's not coming out, we're going to have to regroup and get around the U. This is the guy. I don't feel that. I don't feel that, despite what he did yesterday, I don't feel that. But I mean, if we get Darnold, I mean we could do some stuff, but we got to just let this draft play out. We can't move up and give up a whole bunch of stuff so we can get somebody who I'm not sure, is even elite. I like them both, but are they? And they fall at four, three or four. If we end up bad, we'll take it, but I don't know, so I'm not scared. If we're at four, I'm okay with that.
Speaker 3:Well, like Herb said, the problem is is I don't know how strong this draft is at any position, not just a quarterback. There's not a lot that really jumps out at me this year to where the only reason I would have wanted that first pick is I would have used that as bait. Somebody else is going to want to make a move, like herb said. Somebody's going to get really excited about sanders or they're going to think that travis hunter can do everything for them and they're going to make a move on that and that would have given me that opportunity. The same thing I I think out of the fourth pick is the same. I agree with you. There's there's needs that the giants have and there's. Unless you're set at a quarterback and I don't think there's anybody that's going to be a first-year wonder kid that you're going to pick I'd be moving out of four or two.
Speaker 3:I'd be looking to try to build my draft capital because the only thing I would have done in that Exactly, if you don't have a quarterback and you think, okay, if I hold out another year I'm going to have another chance and if we're competitive then we can figure it out, or maybe drew lock catches fire. I mean, drew lock in situations like this where the cards are against them, he's better, it's, it's one you're expecting him to do. Well, that's when he finds a way to throw interceptions and make problems happen for him. But if I'm the giants, I just try to build up.
Speaker 3:I, you know I take a flyer on a quarterback this year. You know, maybe I maybe in the fourth round I look like a curtis rourke or or I pick up somebody. I think the one that's going to be happy with how everything is playing out right now is jackson dart. I think he knows that he's a middle round guy and I think having milrose enter and the way that the two with shadura sanders and cam were with the way that their seasons ended, I think that that didn't do any help for any of them. If I'm a back of the round quarterback, this is a year where I'm gonna get some movement, because I don't think people are going to be locked in on a two quarterback run.
Speaker 3:Agree this has been fun guys and you know, like I was, I was, I was not a Drake May guy. You know I I wanted to. I I was a JJ McCarthy in the Patriots spot. But I mean, if you're a Patriots fan, drake May is the only thing that's gone right for you Him and Dave Andrews so your center and your quarterback are the only thing that's gone well for you.
Speaker 1:Speaking of JJ, he's in the rumor mill for the multiple teams asking if I can run to trade him. This is crazy. It is. This is crazy.
Speaker 3:That again, like both you and Herb mentioned, that's the thing. Did anyone think that Sam Darnold was going to? I mean, the Vikings are in a great spot. He had wide receivers.
Speaker 2:Kevin O'Connell is a great offensive coordinator.
Speaker 3:So what are you going to do now? So do you keep Darnold Donell? Do you sit jj for a while? Can I come together with a package where minnesota is going to let jj go um?
Speaker 2:but you shouldn't have to have a package for a guy that was drafted in the first round and got like. You know what I mean. So the package should not be huge. Not that it's not deserved for him. It shouldn't be huge now. Will it be? I have no idea. And to the other point, we said on this show that we thought Darna would have a good year, but not this. We knew the weapons were there to have a good year. Jefferson's going to make any quarterback look good.
Speaker 2:I didn't think almost a chance at first in the division, I thought they'd be feisty. My exact words were they're going to beat some teams that they shouldn't beat for sure. But it wasn't. First in the division.
Speaker 1:We'll talk about it some more. Going forward, there's a lot to talk about, a lot more rumors in the rumor mill. Mccarthy back to the Giants. That's crazy. Wherever you are and however you're hearing our show, thank you for joining T3 and for listening we. But wherever you are and however you're hearing our show, thank you for joining T3 and for listening. We're out of here. Have a great day. We'll be all over social media talking about this stuff some more, but we'll see you guys next Thursday at 7. Have a great one.
