TCMMY His & Hers Podcast: Desiring Wealth

Money isn't inherently good or bad—it's a tool whose impact depends entirely on the heart posture of the person using it. We examine how our motivation for desiring wealth reveals what truly matters to us and determines whether money becomes our master or serves a greater purpose.

• Children want wealth to feed the world; adults want it to escape bills and buy new things
• Solomon, the richest and wisest king in biblical history, warned that loving money leads to endless dissatisfaction
• Money requires an "assignment"—understanding its purpose prevents abuse and misuse
• Wealth without education on proper management leads to loss, as seen in celebrities who went bankrupt
• True stewardship means recognizing that all resources come from God and managing them with His purposes in mind
• We must choose which kingdom we're feeding: the visible kingdom of this world or God's eternal kingdom
• The rich young ruler revealed his true master when he walked away sorrowfully from Jesus' invitation

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Chapters

• 0:00 Welcome to His and Hers Podcast
• 1:31 Wealth Desire: Children vs. Adults
• 8:29 Solomon's Warning About Loving Money
• 17:45 Money as a Tool, Not a Ruler
• 31:36 The Stewardship Mindset
• 37:48 The Rich Young Ruler's Choice
• 43:58 Final Thoughts About Heart Posture

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:24

Welcome. Welcome back to the His and Hers Podcast. I'm your host, mr U, alongside the Queen, hi, great to have you guys back with us again. As you're hopefully well aware, we do an episode every fourth Friday of the month. We are on audio only so far. Maybe videos sometime soon to come, but we're excited about hearing all your comments and questions for our show. Of course, you can find our show on all of your listening platforms Apple Podcasts, amazon Music, iheartradio, pandora and Spotify. Wherever you get your listening podcasts and platforms from, you can find the His and Hers podcast. So we thank you again for listening and we are excited about today's topic. How's it going for you today? It's going great, all right.

Speaker 1: 1:20

All right, we're going to get into a little bit of an interesting topic. We think it is anyway. Hopefully you find it relevant. But it's about the idea of desiring wealth. This is a funny one, because all of our topics we just kind of bring what we think is a unique perspective to the, to the concept or the topic that we're talking about today. This one is kind of in that same line desire and wealth.

Speaker 1: 1:45

If we ask a child, you know why do you want to be rich? You know, and we were children and we were asked that question and we had similar answers. And we hear it even now today. You know, most times a child may respond to that question about wanting to be rich or being wealthy so they can feed the whole world, so no one starves ever again. You know responses like that coming from a child's heart. Ask an adult that same question why do you want to be rich, child? I got bills and I'm tired of working on that job. I get my new car, new house, new, new, new, everything new. And you see there's two different, contrasting responses. But that's because the heart posture is different between the child and an adult and when we desire wealth, it really matters the heart posture.

Speaker 1: 2:33

Solomon was, of course, if you read or scribe to the Bible, the word of God, Solomon was David's son and was considered the wealthiest perhaps and the wisest person in scriptural history. And these are his words. This is somebody who had everything. He had not only money and wealth, but he had wives, he had favor even with his enemies, he had peace in the land, he had everything you could think of Gold, silver. He had respect of leaders worldwide. This is his response to what it means to have wealth Out of the book of Ecclesiastes, chapter 5, verse 10.

Speaker 1: 3:18

It reads whoever loves money never has enough. Whoever loves wealth is never satisfied with their income. This, too, is meaningless. It's easy to sit back and say, if I had this, I would do this. This is somebody that actually had it. If you ascribe to his response and his experience, he had money and wealth that most of us may never see in our entire lifetimes. And he's saying whoever loves money never has enough. It's a hole that can't be filled. They'll always want more. It'll never be enough. They'll never be satisfied with what they have. That's a sobering response to this idea of desiring wealth. I want to get into it a little bit. That's just a little bit of context for us. But what does it mean to desire wealth? Do you want to be rich, and why? If I was to ask you, queen, what your response was to that question, how would you respond to that?

Speaker 2: 4:13

Wow, that's a big one. I desire to have a lot of money, but I want to know the assignments for the money. Because, I look at society today. I look at things that we have gone through and how money needed to be the answer for some things. Having money is not being educated about money and seeing money as a tool to use and not letting the money rule you that kind of rhyme.

Speaker 1: 4:54

But go ahead, Don.

Speaker 2: 4:55

But I really think that you know we need to understand what money is and know the goal that we have for the money is, and know the goal that we have for the money when we don't we abuse it. You know we talk about knowing the purpose of a thing and if you don't know the purpose that you abuse it, you know, and so I do desire to have money, and I think the reason why well, I know the reason why because I know what it means to do without.

Speaker 1: 5:28

I know what it means to have and to be without.

Speaker 2: 5:29

But there are things that I see now because of all the things I've experienced in life and getting older, you kind of see the importance of doing things differently and that's why I would want the money now in this season of my life, because when COVID hit and we lost a lot with the stocks and you know all of our investments and just seeing where we were and where we are now and then trying to rebuild, but with a different mindset- yeah, so when you say assignment for the money, explain that a little bit more for us.

Speaker 2: 6:06

Okay, say, I have a million dollars right now and I take care of all of the things that I need to take care of, do I just put that money away? Or I see the hurts and the disappointments that are all around us, like needing an outlet for children or the single parent, or even new things that we've become a part of now with a non-profit, just seeing the need that the children have. You think about families that are going through difficult times. You think about everyone who is losing their jobs, you know. You think about the food pantries or education on food and health and things that we don't have in our community, because if you go to the store today and you just get the cheapest thing that you can, it causes health issues in our bodies.

Speaker 2: 7:08

But if we think about just feeding ourselves but not being educated about what we're feeding ourselves, whether it's with money or food or whatever you know, it hurts us in the long run that makes a lot of sense.

Speaker 1: 7:22

I think that whenever I think about money, wealth, riches whatever word you want to put on it I think about. You know how it has the capacity to change you a plan. But this really is a deep issue because it reminds me coming back in the day we had something in the neighborhood I don't think they even have it anymore, but it's called Lotto and mom would love this, but she would have me go and play Lotto at the corner bodega and everybody in the neighborhood. This is kind of just part of the, the neighborhood culture. We go play lotto because we were trying to get ahead. If it was $50 here, $100, $200 or $100,000, we wanted to get ahead. So everybody played that number, trying to win, just to get ahead. And I realized In watching people who began to do well or they had some good fortune in that regard, you know, they responded a little bit differently.

Speaker 1: 8:35

They changed a little bit the people that we were accustomed to knowing, or we thought we knew when they got some money. They changed a little bit. And we see it played out in TV and media and movies and it's not. It's not. It's not a new concept by any stretch of the imagination it's been around. But money has the capacity to change you. And I think what money does and this is from a former athlete who talks about this all the time. I love quoting him he said that money just makes you bigger and richer, whatever you were before you got the money. And I've seen people in my old neighborhood change. I've seen people in current years, since we've been married, they got some money to their name and they became a little different. They got new clothes, new cars, but what also changed was their attitude. They began to kind of be you know, feel as though we were not on their level anymore. We were beneath them. And was it the money that made that happen? Or was it their response to the money? And I'm going to just put it out here Money is money. Money doesn't money's. Just put it out here. Money is not good or bad. It's as neutral as you can get. It's just a resource, it's just a tool. If you use it the right way, it'll produce great dividends. Use it the wrong way, it'll be detrimental to the person that is using it.

Speaker 1: 10:06

In Matthew 25, and I talk about it a lot on the show, especially on the Inspiration Station, of course, you can find that on our YouTube channel and, of course, on all your listening platforms as well. But I talk about Matthew 25 because it's where the parable of the talents is found, and it's a great analogy that Jesus gives us in regards to this, because what happens is the master goes away and leaves his servants with an assignment, like you said, an assignment for the money. He gives one, five, one, two and one, one talent or one unit of exchange, and how they utilize it determined, how they utilize it determined. You know how they be viewed from that point on and I think about money in in in regards to stewardship, like that, whenever we have money in our hands, like you said, there's an assignment for the money, there's a reason why we have it. If you think it's just for you to go out and buy bubble gum, well you know you might be a little bit short sighted. If you might be a little bit short-sighted If you think it's just for you to go and buy something new so you can feel good about you, or just buy some chocolate because you're not feeling great about yourself and you want to have some comfort food, if you see that as a good use for your money. That's on you, but everything, every dollar and cent, it requires stewardship of us.

Speaker 1: 11:22

In that parable. That's what it's talking about what's being put into our hands, how we use it, how we utilize it. Everybody's always focused on the what. I have this, but nobody focuses on the how. How are we supposed to use it? What's it supposed to be going to? We do that in this household, honestly. We learned that it hasn't been 29 years that we've understood that. We learned that it hasn't been 29 years. We've understood that. We learned that along the way. You know what I'm saying, but it's a valuable lesson and we see that, okay, what comes through our household financially? We're always praying and asking God how do we use this? What's supposed to happen with this? I mean, yeah, you put it in the bank and whatever, but what do we do with this? What's this for? What's the assignment for this? You know, if you're just sitting here just trying to just hoard it, you're missing it.

Speaker 1: 12:10

There has to be a reason for why you have that in your hand, because money is a resource. It's not just a material possession, it's a resource. It means you resource it, you use it for something else. What's it to be used for Just to get new furniture. We've done that and it never really profited us. The furniture is not even here now. You know what I'm saying. So we kind of grew up in that area. We matured, so we know better now. Okay, so what's this for? What's the point of all this stuff? But money by itself is not good or bad you know what I'm saying or bad by itself. It's just a means to accomplish a specific end.

Speaker 1: 12:45

The problem and this is what we get into with this topic the problem with this is that people elevate money to a place that it's not supposed to be. It's just a resource to do specific things. Hopefully, you want to do the perfect will of God with that money. Hopefully, that's the whole point of it. If you serve God and you belong to Him, you want to use that money. Hopefully, that's the whole point of it. If you serve God and you belong to Him, you're going to use that money to further His kingdom, to further His heart and whatever it is he desires. But the problem is that people start to love the money. They love the resource more than the place where the resource came from or the person the resource came from. We give it our adoration, we give it our respect, we give it our praise.

Speaker 1: 13:26

And that's where the scripture that comes in 1 Timothy 6, 9-10. I'm going to read it real quick out of the NIV version this is just talking about the love of money. It's not saying money is bad, but check out what it's saying. It's talking about the love of money. It says those who want to get rich fall into temptation and a trap. Listen to that. Those who want to get rich fall into temptation and a trap and into many foolish and harmful desires that plunge people into ruin and destruction. Here's the part, for the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. And it goes on to talk about how people that are so eager to have money and it's all they care about they wander from the faith and then they afflict themselves with many griefs, which is like pretty sad stuff. That's in 1 Timothy 6, 9 to 10.

Speaker 1: 14:18

So having money is not so much to the issue here, it's the desire to have it and why you want to have it. That's what this passage is saying to me, and then what your heart condition is in receiving it. If somebody is a greedy person, they get money, they ain't going to get no better. They're going to be as greedy, if not greedier than they were before. It's going to amplify what they already are right now, before they get it. If they're a humble person who cares about community and they really want to do like that child did and they want to help the world not be hungry and not have children starving across the world, they get money in their hands. Their mission is going to be clear. They're going to do all they can and make that goal happen, because that's where their heart is. It's all about heart posture. You agree with this? You disagree.

Speaker 2: 15:17

Yes, I agree, and that's why I think it's so important that we be educated while we're getting money and know what the responsibility that we have as having money, because we do change, and I think we should change, but change for the better. You know, because you look at people that have wealth in society today, they're either changing things for the better or, a lot of times, for the worse, and they have a voice because they have the substance to back up what they're saying. They're not just talking. You know it's one thing for us to sit here and say all the things that we want are we going to do, but if we don't have the means to get it done, it's just empty words.

Speaker 2: 15:55

But when you have the money and you can make some things happen and you have the right heart about it, and because we are believers and we want to know God's heart for whatever we do, and we take that money and we ask God. You know what is the assignment for this, because it might be to be put aside for another season. You know, not just to go spend it because we desire something or we just want something. You know. We know that God is going to supply needs. You know the scripture tell us in Mark 8, 36. But what shall it profit a man if he shall gain the whole world and lose his own soul? So what if we just think about getting all of this money so that we can and a bunch of things, just so we could be satisfied, but we can't help our fellow man.

Speaker 2: 16:51

We can't even leave anything, leave an inheritance for our children or our grandchildren, you know, and then educate them on keeping or sustaining or even building what they're given. If we don't learn anything, what can we pass on? You think about even wealth in relationships. You think about wealth in your community. You know how can you help your fellow man or your brother or sister come up to the next level, you know. I think about that because if you're my best friend and you're struggling and I have, what can I offer you? Can I just give you money and then we both fall Because we're not educated. I want to learn along the way. So if I'm ever able and I believe that one day I'll be in a place that I can help somebody but then educate them along the way. Or we educate one another or grow together to be able to build.

Speaker 1: 18:33

I like that. I like that. That's really good. This really just comes down to stewardship, honestly, and I feel like that's important. I think we need to stress this a little bit more because I don't think we see ourselves as stewards in this life. I kind of feel like we just see ourselves, as I grew up, like this. So I'll be honest about it.

Speaker 1: 18:57

It was my mindset for a while. It's not at all now, but it was at some point, you know where. I just said you know, I'm here, not quite sure why I got to get ahead. I got to make it, I got to accomplish the goal, I got to make the dream happen, whatever that may be, you know, and maybe I'll figure out who I am and what I'm supposed to be down the line, but right now I can't be living under. I gotta, I gotta be over. So I gotta, I gotta, I gotta be on top. You know, and a lot of people who grew up who looked like me, they grew up with that kind of mentality and it's like it still goes on today.

Speaker 1: 19:35

But to be a steward, it's a different level because it says you know what. You're here for a reason. You're being given resources and opportunities for them to be used for a reason. To be a steward, it means the careful and responsible management of something that's entrusted to your care, and it's like we don't look at life like that. But we should, though I think we really should. Let's look at this. I'll give you an example.

Speaker 1: 20:06

We talk about the Adam and Eve account all the time. They even teach it to our children in Sunday school. They're bedtime stories these days Right, but what was the whole point that? God was impressed on Adam Before even Eve even came about. He was telling him you know what? I want you to steward this garden. I want you to take care of it, cultivate it, grow it, grow fruit in it, and then, at some point, he it to cultivate it, grow it, grow fruit in it, and then, at some point, he wanted him to duplicate it throughout the earth, to use that Garden of Eden model and duplicate it throughout the earth. He was calling Adam, above everything else, to be a steward. He even gave him the responsibility to name all of the animals, to call them Whatever you want to call them. That's what they'll be called.

Speaker 1: 20:56

Adam was a steward, and I don't think that was by accident that God put him in the position of a steward. It can't be accident. God doesn't make accidents. Everything he does has a purpose and a grand design behind it. So I feel like, by extension, as descendants of Adam, we're stewards. So I feel like, by extension, as descendants of Adam, we're stewards.

Speaker 1: 21:15

So every time that we get, even in the realm of finances, money, opportunities, connections, this, this, this, it's opportunity for stewardship for us in some way, shape or form. We should be careful and responsible about how we manage these areas. To answer the question myself, I mean, I probably always say, yeah, I want to be rich, you know, but back in the day my mindset wasn't quite right and I think I was thinking about I wouldn't want. Now somebody gave it to him like, yeah, that comes with strings that I can't deal with in my life right now. I can't deal with the emotional attachments of that. So I still want to be wealthy. But I recognize that even when that happens, I can't treat it the way I would have treated it in the past. There's a responsibility that comes with it. I mean, if you don't believe me, stop reading, look at the entertainment news and just read in the magazines and look at these people's lives, look at what's being said in these articles and on these TV broadcasts and news broadcasts and get past the fact that this is somebody who was so big and now they've fallen and now we're mocking them on social media and making fun of them. Let's look past the mockery just for a second. I know it's going to be hard for some people, but let's put the mockery down just for a second and look at people as human people, potentially your brother and sister perhaps.

Speaker 1: 22:43

How hard did they have it to have all of that stuff, all the responsibility, all the people around they have to take care of, they have to pay, all of the advice they're getting from all these voices in their life, all this council, all these contracts and documents. They got to sign people in thing. They had to come in agreement with agenda, they had to come in agreement with a program they had to come in agreement with. And then you know and how much risk do they have?

Speaker 1: 23:09

I heard somebody say a long time ago that because of the kind of wealth that they have, they're richer than somebody who has more money than they do. Because they're not bound by their money. They can wake up when they want to. I mean, a lot of millionaires can't even do that. They can't wake up when they want to. They have to get up and go into the boardroom and take care of this, go take care of these business holdings and that kind of stuff. And they don't even have peace ladders and they can't walk down the street. They can't go to the store and get a sandwich. They have to live a whole different life. So if you stand back and look at it, it doesn't look like freedom exactly. It doesn't seem quite like freedom.

Speaker 1: 23:49

So when we talk about we want to be rich and wealthy, what does that actually mean? Do we really want wealth to be seen and played out around us? What's our measurement for wealth? How does that look? Because the wealth that I see, where people have all these folks around them and stuff I'm still introverted. I don't want people around me like that all the time. I don't want no cameras in my face when I'm trying to live my private life. I don't want all that stuff. But when you say you're wealthy, sometimes that kind of stuff comes with it. You got to ask yourself do you actually want that? I ain't saying pick the polar opposite and be poor. That's just dumb. I'm not saying that, but what I am saying is that if we're designed to be wealthy like in Richland this podcast episode is really all about today what does that look like? We need to think about that concept before we start wishing and praying and hoping. What does that look like? Does that make sense?

Speaker 2: 24:38

Yes, it makes sense because you were saying about duplicating yourself, you don't want to give it all away, that you don't have anything. You know, we think about the Hammer story and how he had all of this wealth. You know the dancer, rapper, mc Hammer and how he gave it all away and some of the people he gave to when he didn't have anything. He went back to them to ask for something and they couldn't. They wouldn't even give it to him, even though they had it, because they got it from him.

Speaker 2: 25:09

And you think about it. You know you take care of yourself first. That's why I said about the education. You know putting those things in place where it's drawing interest or that you have. You know some holdings and things in place where when you give, you give it with the understanding of this is the limit that I'll go. And you know I think about even giving to your children or your family. You know you don't want to give to them so that that could be a crutch for them. You still want them to learn, you still want them to grow in their understanding as well yeah, that makes sense.

Speaker 1: 25:50

We were all growing up. Honestly, I did have dreams of being rich and wealthy. I mean, you see it on TV, can you kind of look like, oh, that must be the thing you know? But there's some times, especially in my in my teenage years. Rather, I didn't want to be wealthy, I didn't want to have 50 cousins that I had to take care of. You where I didn't want to be wealthy, I didn't want to have 50 cousins that I had to take care of. Yeah, you know I didn't want that. I'm like my family wasn't the best family in the world, let's be real about it, but I didn't want 50 cousins to pop up because I was wealthy. Oh man, we always knew we were going to make it and they all around you with their hand out that's kind of how it looks and stuff.

Speaker 1: 26:33

This is scripture in Luke 12 and 15. I want to just read it. I think it's so important to this area. Excuse me, I know people say you know money answers everything and they treat money as the answer to all of life worries.

Speaker 1: 26:39

But think about those rich folks I was telling you about. Look at what they have to deal with. You would think that they have all these, you know, all this joy and all this happiness. But they wouldn't kill themselves if they had all this joy and happiness. They wouldn't be a recluse and they wouldn't even want to come out of their house because they had to be in front of cameras and have all kinds of scrutiny. They can't sit down at a restaurant with their wife and eat because they have cameras in their face, people trying to get them to sign autographs. That's not happiness, that's not joy. You live in as a prisoner and if you're not, if you're not careful and you treat money the wrong way, anything other than a resource it can become that check out Luke 12 and 15. It says watch out, be on your guard against all kinds of greed. Life does not consist in an abundance of possessions. That's powerful.

Speaker 2: 27:33

It reminds me of a young lady. I went to school with Her dad, never spent time with them. He worked so that they could have a lot of stuff and go a lot of places. They had a yacht, they had a beach house. They had a villa somewhere. They had a $500,000 home. I mean, back then that was humongous for yeah because I'm a little older, what?

Speaker 2: 28:04

But you know, and all of them drove really nice cars. When she got her driver's license she was able to pick out what kind of car she wanted and she had a Mercedes, you know, and this is middle school and going into high school, and but she never spent time with her dad. She didn't know his favorite color, they never got to spend birthdays and most of the times he didn't get to spend birthdays with them because he was steady, trying to keep up with all of the stuff that they had wow I thought that was really sad and she was always miserable, so she didn't even know how to deal with guys.

Speaker 2: 28:45

You know, even with her brother he didn't have a role model, so he would act out. They would do things that was bad in order to get their dad's attention.

Speaker 1: 28:55

That is sad. Yeah, it really is. You know, that passage in Luke is a reminder for us to keep our guard up. Yes, if we know better, especially as believers, if we know better and any believers that are listening to this, this is really for you we know better. We've got to keep our guard up. We've got to protect our hearts. The Bible says in Proverbs 4 and 23 that out of our hearts come the issues of life. We've got to protect our hearts.

Speaker 1: 29:20

People think that money is the answer to living a great life. If answer to living a great life, if you look around you, contrary to what the world is saying, is a workable solution. Look around and I watched all these celebrities, so-called celebrities and stuff for a long time, for 50 years, and then some and I've never seen any that lived a great life solely because of money. I feel like there's always some things that we never knew about and, of course, they always seem to come out and people are shocked like, oh my, I didn't know that was good. How could you? All you see is the stuff that they have. You can't see what they go through in life and I feel like money just distracts you from the things that are most valuable in life. You from the things that are most valuable in life. And if you are, if you listen to what we just talked about, with the richest, wisest man in biblical history, or maybe perhaps in any history, king Solomon. He's saying that you can have all of it, but you'll still be unsatisfied. You'll never be able to fill the hole, the gap, and you'll never be able to be content. You'll always be able to fill the hole, the gap, and you'll never be able to be content. You'll always be constantly seeking. You'll be walking in greed, you'll always try to have more and more, but you'll never be able to be satisfied. I don't know what kind of life that is.

Speaker 1: 30:40

Imagine if you had a thirst that you couldn't quench. I mean, if I drink too much, I feel bloated. If I eat too much, I feel bloated. If I eat too much, I can't move. I don't want to walk, I don't even want to sit, I want to just lay down on the floor and just stay there until I feel better. So that's just with food and drink.

Speaker 1: 30:56

Imagine if you had all this wealth and you still didn't feel like you can function, do anything. You still wouldn't be satisfied. You still feel like you just have all this stuff and you can't even function in your life. I think it's something to be thought of, because whenever we talk about being wealthy and wanting riches, I think we need to define what that is. We need to put some boundaries on what that looks like. What does that mean? There's some people who wanted that and it was inherited and they received it and didn't know what to do with it. We passed by houses all the time in our neighborhood, people who inherited property and land and they couldn't function. They couldn't handle the taxes, they couldn't handle the upkeep, and now the places are just sitting there, empty fields, and it looks like it's just a rat's nest and the houses are dilapidated and they can't get anybody to move into them and they can't get anybody to move them away or renovate them and they had plenty, but they can't handle what they were given.

Speaker 2: 31:58

That reminds me of a TV show that used to come on.

Speaker 1: 32:01

What TV show?

Speaker 2: 32:02

I don't remember the name of it, but Ty Pendleton was on it, I think that was his name, and it was like move that bus.

Speaker 1: 32:08

Extreme makeover.

Speaker 2: 32:09

Extreme home makeover yes.

Speaker 1: 32:11

And I didn't even watch it, so I knew that.

Speaker 2: 32:13

But they had a special that came on talking about all of the people that they build houses for, because there was no education for the people to be able to upkeep the houses that was built for them. They complained about the light bill, they complained about the upkeep of the house. Even though they got a free house, didn't have to pay a penny for it. The? Um some of the equipment they put in there was so expensive they couldn't? Um take care of it, even some of the vehicles, because? And then they were even given money, but they spent the money and didn't know how to maintain what they were given, and I just thought that was really sad. And so that's why they canceled the show, because the people complained about what they were given.

Speaker 1: 33:02

Wow. I know some people are probably listening to say, oh, that would never happen to me, why not? Why not you? That's the kind of hard posture that leaves us susceptible to issues just like this when we sit here and we think, oh, it can't happen to us, well, I'm never going to do that, I'm never going to be like Blank. And then we get in a situation and we do exactly what blank did, the thing that we said we never would do.

Speaker 1: 33:29

This is an opportunity for us to look at those things around us and learn from them, and not do the things that we see, not because we're bold or we think we're so righteous or we're so smart or so wise excuse me but that we look at the situation and we learn from it. These people that are having all of these situations around us whether it be in the celebrity entertainment world or even in your personal life, people that you know, who you've seen, have struggles like this. These are lessons. The only reason why you see it is because you have a responsibility to notice it and to do something about it. Not go into their life and change their lives, but to learn from that and not duplicate it. There are a lot of things that we never see and we never hear about. Those aren't our responsibilities. But the thing that we are able to see and we do learn from those examples around us, it's our responsibility to learn from them, to gain perspective, to make wise choices with the resources that we're being given.

Speaker 1: 34:29

There's a passage and this should be the last one for today In the book of Matthew, the 19th chapter, verse 16 to 22,. It's where a rich young ruler was asking Jesus how can I have eternal life? And he began to quote all of the good things that he was doing. He began to quote all the commandments that he lived his whole life by, since he was a youngster. And Jesus said very well, it's good that you did that. And he said well, I did all these things for my youth. What am I lacking? What am I missing? Why don't I feel like I should be feeling? You know that revealed. Let's stop there for a second. That revealed so much to me.

Speaker 1: 35:08

What that told me was that if he came to Jesus in the first place, as insanely rough as he was, it tells me that he wasn't satisfied. The same thing that we said, that King Solomon said, was played out right here in Matthew 19. I really believe that's what's happening right here, because why would he even come to him at all For what? He came to him saying what good thing should I do to have eternal life? That means he knew he didn't have it. With all his wealth, he didn't have eternal life. He didn't have the peace of knowing that when he left this earth his life would be, or his soul would be, in good standing. So he knew that.

Speaker 1: 35:46

That's why he came to Jesus in the first place, and he quoted all the things that he did since he was a youth, all the commandments he followed. He didn't commit adultery, he didn't commit murder, he didn't bear false witness, he didn't steal, he honored his father and his mother, loved his neighbor as himself. He did all the things that the commandments said he was supposed to do. He said what am I lacking, what am I missing? And Jesus said if you want to be perfect, go and sell all that you have and give it to the poor, and you have treasure in heaven and come and follow me. And I believe that this is the call that many of us are hearing the same thing All the things that you were supposed to be doing well, that's fine, but there's always one area, there's always one area where we are not truly giving or committed to to the purpose of why we're here, the resources that we're being given, the life that we're supposed to be leading, and his was revealed. Jesus revealed his to him, the purpose of why we're here, the resources that we're being given, the life that we're supposed to be leading, and his was revealed. Jesus revealed his to him. And basically what he was saying was your money rules you. You did all the commandments, you live all those things, and that's fine, but your money rules you.

Speaker 1: 37:01

And the Bible says that no man can serve two masters. You can't serve money and God at the same time. And that's what he was trying to accomplish. He wanted to keep his money, but he wanted to know what thing he should do in order to have eternal life.

Speaker 1: 37:15

And if you're faced with a situation where you desire to be wealthy and it's your goal you work hard to make that happen. It's your everyday process. To get to that top of the mountain and be the king of the hill, to have that kind of lifestyle, you have to know that you're going. You're going there. God's going to require you know your heart and you can't. And you have to choose between you know the immense wealth and you know and a relationship with God and having that contentment of knowing you have eternal life and having that peace in salvation and such. So the ruler was faced with that and he walked away sorrowful. He walked away heavy-hearted because he had so many possessions and the idea of giving them all up was too much for him to handle. So he walked away from eternal life. He looked eternal life in the face, looked it in the face and walked away from it because he loves his possessions more.

Speaker 2: 38:17

Wow, that's heavy, you know. I know we're talking about wealth and about being educated and being able to give to others. You know that's not saying that we can't use what God gives us.

Speaker 1: 38:33

Absolutely.

Speaker 2: 38:34

Our hearts have to be right More than anything. Our hearts have to be right Because we think about our hearts being circumcised and cut away from the things that are just going to take us away from God. You know, and it can be good things that we want to do, but those good things could even pull us away. So sometimes we have to leave some of those good things behind and stay focused on the purpose. That's why I talk about the assignment. Whatever the assignment is, I like that.

Speaker 1: 39:10

And just to be clear, I know I said the last scripture, but, sorry, I can't help myself. I have one more Deuteronomy 8, 17 to 18. I love this one because we used to quote it all the time as we first stepped into our faith, but basically saying that you know that it's the Lord, god, who gives us the ability to produce wealth, or the power to get wealth. And he did that because he made a covenant with God, with his people, with the children of Abraham, and he swore to the ancestors that they were going to have, they were going to have wealth and they were going to have prosperity. So by giving us wealth, he's keeping his promise. So just to be clear, god has given us the ability and the power to gain wealth. So that means he wants you to have it. So don't get me wrong when I say oh, mr Euston, we can't have wealth. I don't think I've ever said that on this episode. Mr Euston, we can't have wealth. I don't think I've ever said that on this episode. But just to be clear, deuteronomy 8, 17, and 18, which we agree with says that God gives you the power to get wealth. It's part of his covenant with his people. He promised it centuries ago and it's the promise being fulfilled. So he wants you to have that. But the challenge is that, like know, like the queen said, our heart, posture, our perspective on this. If we have a clear perspective, then we'll take those resources that we're being given whether it be money from businesses and ventures and holdings and et cetera and we will operate and function in this world with God's heart in mind. It'd be the motivation for why we do what we do. It won't be because I want to get a greater name, I want to be on a magazine, I want my name on top of a building symbol or have a street name after me. The motivation would be what is God's heart? What does he want us to do with this? How does he want us to function as ambassadors for his kingdom?

Speaker 1: 40:57

At the end of the day, you, we have a couple of options. We talked about serving God and money. We understand we can't serve both. We got to pick one. But also we got to understand that we are Faced with two kingdoms. We're faced with the kingdom of God, which is the one that's intangible, that we don't often see in front of us. We can't reach out and grab it A lot of the times, or the kingdom of this world. We got two options, and some people have chased the kingdom of the world because they can see it. They can see the money. They can see what you can buy with money, how many cars and boats you can buy, how many lake houses you can buy. We can see it. But we're faced with an option there which kingdom are we going to be feeding into? The one that we feed is going to be the one that's going to be most dominant in our life. Which one are we feeding? So it's not that the Lord doesn't want you to have money.

Speaker 1: 41:49

Please understand that he's the ruler of all things. My favorite Psalm Psalm 24, says it that the earth is the Lord and the fullness thereof, the world and they that dwell therein. Everything in the world belongs they. That the world, they're in, everything in the world belongs to him. We're just managing for him what he's giving to us. You might think you're earning it and you're going out here, you're hustling, but it's coming to you only because he's allowing it to come to you. It's not because you're so great. You did it all by yourself. So let's bust that bubble right quick, but just to kind of close out any any other thoughts about this topic. I know we talked about a lot of different stuff. If you guys have any questions or comments about what you've been hearing so far, please drop it in the comment section. Whether you find this episode, we'd be happy to answer any questions you have. We'll kind of continue to speak. We'll keep the conversation going offline on all of our social media platforms and our listening platforms, but Queen any thoughts beyond that about this?

Speaker 2: 42:41

Just guard your heart. That's so important. That's all I have to say.

Speaker 1: 42:47

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