Cathy Colver Garland - Revelationship: What Happens When You Say Yes to God Every Time

What happens when your perfectly planned Christian life falls apart? Cathy  knows the terrain of disappointment, having navigated divorce, health challenges, and shattered expectations despite "doing everything right." Yet rather than abandoning faith, she discovered something richer: an authentic relationship with a God who reveals Himself in every season, especially the difficult ones.

Growing up as the oldest of six children with parents active in ministry, Cathy learned early to discern God's voice. Her breakthrough came through a simple yet profound insight: "Just say yes to God every time he asks you and no to the devil every time he asks you, and you'll end up doing all God has called you to do." This approach freed her from the paralysis of trying to decipher God's master plan and instead embraced a responsive relationship with Him.

Whether discussing her popular blog "Graceful Musings," her passion for Hebrew language, or her concerns about consumeristic Christianity, Cathy combines thoughtful theology with practical wisdom. For anyone navigating disappointment, deconstruction, or spiritual uncertainty, her story offers a refreshing alternative to both rigid religiosity and faith abandonment—a third way of profound relationship with a God who still speaks, moves, and reveals Himself today.

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Chapters

• 0:00 Introduction to Kathy Colbert-Garland
• 5:42 Growing Up in a Pastor's Home
• 8:57 Finding God's Will for Your Life
• 15:12 Co-Authoring "Revelationship" with Dad
• 20:48 Graceful Musings Blog Origins
• 22:21 Navigating Divorce and Hard Seasons
• 29:18 Intimacy, Trust and Relationships
• 32:20 Deconstruction and Reconstruction
• 37:15 Current View of the Church

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:37

Welcome back to one on one with Mr U. Of course I'm your host, mr U, in the studio with us. Kathy Colbert-Garland. She's an author of an outstanding book, revelationship Transforming the Immense with Christ. She did a book for her father, dr Randy, and she does a whole bunch of other stuff. We were just talking about that. She's a mother extraordinaire, former vice president of a software company. She's done so many different things. We're going to try to get into it as much as we can with the time that we have. But, kathy, great to have you on. How are you? How are things over there?

Speaker 2: 1:09

I'm great, I'm great, you're right. Motherhood, absolutely, there's so much stuff going on.

Speaker 1: 1:17

You're doing plenty, but we've got to get into a very interesting life and I want to try to extract as much as I can with the time that we have. But as customary, I always ask our guests to describe your upbringing and your childhood. For some folks that's triggering, but most of the time that goes well, so we're ready for it either way. But describe your childhood and your upbringing for us. Let us know who you are.

Speaker 2: 1:38

Well, I'm the oldest of six, so my father and mother were hippies who were saved and sort of moved in their life in the Jesus movement. So they love children. My dad is a children's pastor later became an associate pastor. So they love kids and so they had a lot of them and to oldest. So that means I'm the top of the heap Right and I do love siblings. Know it. When we play games and things like that there's a little competition there I'm the top of the heap right, and I do let my siblings know it.

Speaker 2: 2:04

When we play games and things like that, there's a little competition there. I may not be the favorite, but I'm definitely the oldest, so growing up You're the favorite, the red one. Oh, there's definitely a favorite. It's everybody's favorite. She's the youngest Name's Laura. She's the baby.

Speaker 1: 2:21

So it's everybody's favorite.

Speaker 2: 2:30

We we're honest about it. You know it's everybody's favorite um, yeah, oldest one boy.

Speaker 2: 2:32

You can feel very sorry for him. All the rest of us yes, yes and uh, but he's all man like, he's in the military and things like that. So we grew up in a very relaxed atmosphere, home, if will, but also very much in the church, and so, my dad being a pastor, my mother being very committed to loving God and loving people, we constantly had this revolving door of people coming into the house, needing help, loving them, serving them, and then, you know, they go away, go through the rest of their life. We did this for many, many years. So I saw Christianity exemplified in a real, authentic way by these two. My parents, who love God, love people well and would always look for the people on the fringes who were being overlooked brought into the fold. Later they adopted three more people, three more children, and so nine altogether technically is what I claim as siblings.

Speaker 1: 3:28

So that was my life yeah, somebody on our show specifically but even in my life, outside of the microphone people who have parents that were active in ministry when or before they were born. They usually experience certain challenges because they're kind of being pulled along into this whirlwind that we call ministry. What do you think was the biggest challenge that you recognized for yourself growing up, being a part of this whirlwind?

Speaker 2: 4:06

I think the biggest challenge was finding my place in it, because there's so much and you don't want to say yes to everything, you just want to say yes to what God wants for you. I think I struggle with finding God's will for my life, which was this sort I went to conferences, I read books, I did all these things like what's God's will for my life, which was this sort of I went to conferences, I read books, I did all these things like what's God's will for my life, and it kind of drove myself a little bananas actually with it. And it wasn't that, whatever it was, I was going to say yes to it. I just didn't know what it was. And I could preach, I can teach, I can sing, I can do whatever you want me to do. But what do you want me to do? You know? Kind of a thing.

Speaker 2: 4:45

And it wasn't until Fuchsia Pickett who's dead now and she must've been 99 when I saw her. She's this lady teacher in the body of Christ, one of the best, best preacher teachers, women teachers I've ever heard. She said you want to know God's will for your life? And I was like, yes, yes, I'm ready, I'm ready. And she said just say yes to God every time he asks you and no to the devil every time he asks you, and you'll end up doing all that God has called you to do.

Speaker 2: 5:12

I was like is that it and that freed me. I was totally freed from that point on. Okay, I'm going to say yes to God and no to the devil. We're going to do this, and that has been actually a very good sort of arc to my life, just saying yes Every time he said to do something, whether it's to write a book or to tell somebody or to stop a stranger and to tell them that God loves him and give them sort of what we would call a word of knowledge or a word of wisdom that he's downloading to us, to them, just just for them to prove to them that he sees them. You know those kinds of things. So I think that freed me.

Speaker 1: 5:54

OK, I love the idea. It does sound really simple. I guess the challenge there is to discern the voices. I know people who and this is not people in the church per se, at least not faithfully where they feel like you know this is a good thing. So God must want me to have this because it's good. I mean, look at it, look at that car, it's beautiful. God loves me, so he must want me to have that right. So we can twist that and play with it if we really want to. But you're not doing that, which is awesome. But what would you say is it would like to co-author a book with your dad? That's really a rarity. I don't hear that very often. What would you like to co-author the relationship book with your dad? How was it like? What was it about?

Speaker 2: 6:33

It was extremely natural because, if you can imagine all of us sitting around the table having dinner discussions every night, we have this overflow of conversation and years and years of conversation. And what happened was my dad said he was listening to me talk about how excited I was to study the Old Testament, which never has happened before. I'm a New Testament girl. That Old Testament is boring, bloody, bloodthirsty, you know. It's just like oh, do I have to read Deuteronomy again, you know? So I was starting out.

Speaker 1: 7:09

Deuteronomy numbers are the one I'm like. Numbers in chronic I'm like if I had to hear another big gap. I don't know what I'm going to do.

Speaker 2: 7:18

Yeah, exactly, and I have all the certificates. I've read through the Bible Many times. I have the certificates to prove it, like the whole thing. And I have all the certificates. I've read through the Bible many times. I have the certificates to prove it, like the whole thing. And I was starting over and I was not looking forward to it, just to be honest with you. And the Holy Spirit spoke to me and he said look for me, look for Jesus, look for me revealing myself. So I started looking for him. There's things like I'm the God who sees you, I'm the God who calls you. I'm the God who sees you. I'm the God who calls you. I'm the God who delivered you out of Egypt. I'm the God who brought you to myself. There's all these revelations of him.

Speaker 2: 7:50

And I was excited and I was telling my dad about it. He was like hold on, hold on. I want you to share this with the interns at church. And so I did, and they loved it too. They were like this is a whole new way to study the Bible. And I was like, exactly, it's very exciting. And so my dad said people aren't quite ready for this. You need to be where God is revealing himself in their own story first, and so we started to talk about that. Where is God revealing himself in our stories for the purpose of relationship? And he wrote that on the board revelation for the purpose of relationship had the brain fart and accidentally stuck revelation and relationship together and we stood back and said, aha, that's what we're trying to say, that God is pursuing us for relationship and he's revealing himself so we can have a relationship. And that's why we wrote it.

Speaker 1: 8:45

I love it. Revelationship, so we know where that comes from. I like the idea of that. You're also writing. You're still writing a blog, graceful Musings right? Yes, that's right. Tell us what's the motivation for that. I know that it's providing women with some services. Kind of speak to what Graceful Music is all about, where it comes from and why you're doing it.

Speaker 2: 9:07

I started it when I quit my job, when I turned in my two months notice as the COO of a software company, I wrote down a list, yeah, a list of things that I wanted to accomplish, a bucket list, if you will. And one of the things that happened was, as I was going through the two month notice, that I had given everybody else quit mostly. I mean, there was like three people left, yeah, so they didn't want me to go, but I needed to go. It was toxic at that point. I've been there 14 years and it was time to go and I had no more rest. You know, it was very. Every time I thought of it, my stomach would turn. You know it was very. Every time I thought of it, my stomach would turn. You know it was done, I was done, and so I turned in my notice. But I wanted to learn how to finish. Well, I wanted to finish the job well, so I Googled it. I was looking for articles on how do you finish something well, and there's nothing out there. Everybody tells you to go, everybody tells you you shouldn't stay, but nobody tells you how to leave well, and so's nothing out there. Everybody tells you to go, everybody tells you you shouldn't stay, but nobody tells you how to leave. Well, and so I was like, well, it is true, it is. So I said let me write this as I go through it to kind of document how am I going to leave this job that I have served and loved?

Speaker 2: 10:18

Well, and then, out of that, people were starting to ask questions. And then, out of that, people were starting to ask questions like you could tell that the basis for my blog, even though it was started out business, was theological, like I want to do this. Well, because I want to bring glory to God, like that is the purpose of what I'm doing. And so people ask me questions like, while you're in there, can you answer me, why did God destroy Nineveh? And I'm like, okay, let me answer that question.

Speaker 2: 10:51

You know, started out, you know, out of my journey, turned into answering questions, and it provides really women five or so minutes of deep theology that they can chew on and think on all day long. While they're changing diapers, taking care of kids, feeding mouths, cutting apples, whatever it is we're doing, we can still be thinking about these higher things. The Bible says to think about these things all day long and dwell on them and it's an honor to kind of puzzle out a matter the Bible says. So I'm providing five minutes of deep theology while they go about their day.

Speaker 1: 11:28

I love it. I love the example you used. It says that your blog provides women with a moment of rest and challenge before those little fingers appear under the bathroom door. I love the vision.

Speaker 2: 11:40

That's the truth, though Every woman who's listening knows that that's not true.

Speaker 1: 11:45

Yeah, you can't go to the bathroom. You can't go to the bathroom when people they show up trying to get in there with you, I'm like what I'm doing in here you can't help me do this is my thing.

Speaker 2: 11:56

Lock the door for just five minutes. Give me five minutes.

Speaker 1: 11:59

I love it, I love it, I, I love it, I love it. I want to get so much more into your thoughts on prayer and the current view of the church, a lot of things that you and I shared, you know, pre-interview chat about religion versus relationship and a host of other things. I hope we have time to get into it. I hope so. But I want you to kind of jump into the first part of your story. You talk a lot about challenging with divorce and health and some things. Can you get into that a little bit?

Speaker 1: 12:26

I mean, I think that your story is going to provide perspective because people that go through trauma of any sort, it seems like sometimes they live in it so long that it becomes home. They never find their way out of it. It's supposed to be a temporary situation, that's what it should be. They become the permanent residents. So if you don't mind sharing one part of that before you start, don't go into deconstruction just yet. Kind of get into the first part of what happened with your family, with the divorce and your child and everything. Just kind of get into that and we'll kind of pass it out and go from there, go ahead.

Speaker 2: 13:03

Sure, you're talking about a wilderness season. You know, I think I was raised to think that if you go through something hard, it must be. This wasn't something from my parents, I just want to be clear. But from the charismatic movement as a whole, I imbibed that if you were going through something hard, that it must be because you're out of the favor of God. And that is just simply not true, because God's favor is not going to make you comfortable, it's going to make your life extraordinary. The two are not, they're not conducive to each other. Joseph's life was not comfortable, it was extraordinary. No, so so this is um. So going through wilderness doesn't mean that God has abandoned you. So my natural inclination would be to blame him or to have you know, mean conversations with him. Why are you doing this to me? Question him. But supernaturally, the Holy Spirit causes me to lean into him as I go through things. So you're right, I was raised in the church, I did things right.

Speaker 2: 14:01

I married a man who seemed like he was compatible. I was in the purity culture. We didn't date, we didn't do anything, we held hands like that was it. And then we got married. And then he was addicted to pornography and he needed to go. So he divorced me. I'm sitting there, 20 something, got married very young, something I've I've dotted all my eyes, crossed, all my t's, and I'm ended up childless, abandoned. That is not supposed to happen. Like a vending machine, god. If I put in all the different things, I'm supposed to get out a good life, less life, whatever you want to call it, with the chickens and the white picket fence and the kids. And I did not.

Speaker 1: 14:47

So I don't recall being added in. All my friends have them. They're great.

Speaker 2: 14:56

So, but I think there's that picture that women have of what we think we're going to get if we serve this God. And the fact is that may not be what you're going to get. And one it was his choice to leave. Paul says when they want to leave you, let them go. And I had to let him go. I didn't even go to the court. I didn't do anything because I didn't want a divorce. He did so anyway.

Speaker 2: 15:21

The things that kind of come at you in this season after season, after seeing hard things, what they do is they build character, and we don't like to hear that, but it's a fact. So when my first husband divorced me, when I lost my first child in miscarriage, when the man I love decided he who I later married, he's my second husband broke up with me for the third time and then dated some woman he thought was the one because she was perfect for him. When I broke my neck in a car accident, when I lost another child, when I waited 10 years for my first child, my son, for my first child, my son, what sustained me wasn't willpower or perfect faith or tying everything up in a bow. It was revelation. It was knowing the God who knows me, he sees me, he sees the injustice done to me. He is going to declare over me his banner over me is love, not desolate woman who's been abandoned by her husband Right, ok. So knowing that sustained me and kept hope alive.

Speaker 2: 16:35

So if your listeners are in any kind of difficult circumstance, they have to look to God. What is it about God declaring about your situation or about you? The truth of that and what he's providing, like the God who sees me, means I am seen. That's important. Yes, so that's what kept me.

Speaker 1: 16:59

I love it. I love it. Quick point I want to kind of get into the faith crisis that you had. I want to get into that a little bit. But for those that are listening, who may be wives who are challenging their relationship with their husbands, perhaps they are encountering or have encountered something like yours or something like that seem to be brewing in their households. How do you encourage them, even if they're not a believer like yourself? What would you say to them to kind of encourage them through this period of crisis, or pre-crisis, if you will?

Speaker 2: 18:22

You know that's a difficult conversation. If they don't know God, they don't have a source, so they need to get that source. So I'd have to point them to the Bible, whether they're believers or not, because there is source in the Bible that you know. Even if they don't necessarily know Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior, they know he existed and his words were true, and they ring true for anyone who's actually listening to read Jesus's words. And I would also point them to examining themselves. What in this situation? You can't do anything about them. You can't change them. You can't force them. You can't I tried. You can't nag them. You can't drag them to counseling if they don't want to go. So you have to deal with yourself in the whole thing, and so you have to take it as an opportunity to work on yourself and do the hard stuff that you've been putting off, and I have been putting things off. So I had to deal with them. I had to face them.

Speaker 2: 19:22

Truth, suffering brings out what's true, and some of what's true about you isn't good. So you're going to have to go through it, and I would encourage people to surrender that to God. All that you are, the good, the bad, the ugly, all that you're not the good, the bad, the ugly and all that you ever hope to be or ever have to hope to receive. You surrender that to God. He loves you. That's just what he says. I have loved you with an everlasting love. I love you more than anyone else. So that love is trustworthy and he's going to make sure that we have what we need in order to thrive. Thriving is what he's after Dwelling together. Thriving Not what makes you happy, not the cars and the house and the dream. Even it might be a good dream. I had a good dream Kids, family, you know the whole thing is a good dream, but what he wants for us is for us to thrive and we can trust in that.

Speaker 1: 20:29

I love that. I love that. One thing this idea of well, it's not an idea, but this concept of trauma and how to overcome it. It's challenging for a lot of people. I hear it a lot, whether it be in a coaching session or just in a conversation, even in the course of interviews on this show. Tell me what your views are on relationship and intimacy after all that you've been through, because a lot of people have gone through these challenges and they sometimes they don't even take the time to stop and sit and settle in what they've been dealing with, to recognize you know what this has been affecting other stuff in my life. What would you say would be your view on relationships and intimacy journey after all you've been through? Look, I'll be having some challenges here. We're losing you All. Right, let's get you back in the box here. Okay, don't know what happened there, but did you hear my question?

Speaker 2: 21:26

I didn't hear your question.

Speaker 1: 21:27

Okay, no worries, no worries. I'll reiterate it. After all you've been through and the challenges of that, what are your views on relationships as a whole and intimacy? A lot of people kind of go through trauma, like I said before, and they don't really sit and soak in what's going on so they can make some sound decisions to kind of just move through it. But the intimacy journey and your view on relationships you know have been effective in some way by what you've gone through, kind of share that and offer any advice you may have to our listeners who may be dealing with the same type of scenario. Go ahead.

Speaker 2: 22:03

So intimacy is based on trust and we have to know that. And you can't really trust someone you don't love and then you don't know. So the way that a relationship develops is you know someone. If you know someone and they are, their character is good and just dealing with like humans, and you know that they are honest, integrity, they're motivated, generally speaking, by good things. Obviously they're not going to be perfect. That is something that a lot of women are looking for after trauma. Is perfection, not perfection, just godliness, like a general arc and a pointing towards godliness.

Speaker 2: 22:49

If you know that, then you can learn to love that, and then loving and respecting sound almost exactly the same in action. Now, they're not always, but they sound the same. So to know them is to love them, then you can trust them. And it's really the same thing with God. When God says to us you can taste and see that I'm good, you can trust me. First we have to know him, then we learn to love him. The Bible says if you know me, you'll love me, and if you love him, you'll begin to trust him, and then, if you trust him, you'll obey him, which I think is one of those things that the church gets wrong because they say obey, obey, obey and the person might not necessarily know love and trust him yet, and you have to start with the knowing.

Speaker 1: 23:38

That makes sense. I love it. I love what you're talking about here. I have a question for you also, All listeners who are interested in Kathy's book wwwrevelationshipnet OK, wwwrevelationshipnet, you can get her book there. What would you say? I want you to break down your deconstruction and reconstruction story while we have some time left. But I want to ask you a question first. Answer that as briefly as you can. It's a tough question, I get it. Do your best to try to condense as much as you can. What would you say to the person who has a question about whether God speaks to humans or not? In this day and time, Does God still speak to humans? What would be?

Speaker 2: 24:23

the answer to that Okay, so short answer is the same God who spoke back then still speaks. He doesn't change. So whatever he did, I reserve the right for God to do again. And the reason for that is because he says I, the Lord, do not change. There is no shadow of change in me. So if he spoke, he still speaks. If he moves, he still moves. If he rescues, he still rescues. So I have no place for a theology like cessation, which is sort of a fad and has been a fad for the last couple hundred years. That was not part of the early church history. The early church fathers had no concept that God would suddenly stop speaking. They would never have accepted that fad. It's a fad. So God still is the same as he was yesterday, today and forevermore. So absolutely, he still speaks and still moves and still reveals himself. So that's the answer to that.

Speaker 1: 25:20

Absolutely. Are you able to briefly share your deconstruction slash reconstruction story? Can you do that?

Speaker 2: 25:29

You might have listeners who kind of identify with it a little bit. I was young, I was 13 when I did it. So you know, growing up in the church maybe you just hit things sooner Church abuse, maybe some authoritative things that I noticed that were wrong, hypocrisy, people saying one thing doing another I saw it. I was there for it, okay. So I've been there since I was born, so I knew these people and I knew what they were not and were capable of, and so I told my parents I don't think this Christian thing is for me. And instead of panicking and this is going to happen to pretty much everybody in Christianity at some point in their life they'll have a crisis of faith and you can either A ignore it, which is not the best thing, or B?

Speaker 2: 26:16

face it head on, ask good questions. So I told my parents that they didn't panic. They took me to the library. They checked out a whole bunch of books on every religion, including a bunch of little religions that most people don't even know of. Like all of them, and I studied a very a full year.

Speaker 2: 26:34

I was homeschooled so we could put aside certain things and really hone in on this. And I studied, I went to conferences, I asked questions, I read books and I deconstructed a lot of traditional understanding or traditions made of men is what I would call them and got rid of all those and went down to the foundational concepts that Jesus Christ is real and wants a relationship with me. I started from there and from there I began to add on the things that would promote relationship. So I don't read the Bible because some man told me so. I read the Bible because in those pages is life and him revealed.

Speaker 2: 27:22

I don't dress modestly because some man told me I had to. I dress somewhat modestly or normal because I love God and bring glory to him with my body. That's just a highly practical thing. The men, that's a whole, nother separation, separate issue. You know they need to work on their eyes, whatever. But I for me, for myself, am going to dress in a way that honors God. I don't care about anybody else.

Speaker 2: 27:52

So those are kind of the reconstructing processes. You know what I believe about communion might not fit into a niche that a certain denomination would find acceptable. I think there's a little bit more to communion, but less than the Catholics I think there's. When I come to the table of communion I expect to experience his presence. So that's a part of the reconstruction journey examining the doctrines and theology, understanding them as best as I can. So I'm a sort of a Bible nerd. I wouldn't call myself a seminarian or something like that. I'm more of a Bible nerd, understanding as best as I can, asking for the Holy Spirit, in truth and spirit, to interpret something for me, to help me understand it, reading other people, reading scholars, taking it in and then eventually making a decision, but still even holding that decision with some open hands, knowing that I could be wrong, and I'm okay with that.

Speaker 1: 28:53

Absolutely no, I loved it. I loved it. Thank you for sharing that. That's really good.

Speaker 1: 28:57

If anybody has questions about what we're discussing today, any questions for Kathy hit us up on fan mail it's our link in our show notes directly to me. Send any questions and comments you have. I'll answer those on the upcoming episode. If you want to jump into the live chat right now and ask Kathy a question, the floor is open. The door is open. Come right on in and we'll answer those as they come through.

Speaker 1: 29:22

I have two more questions for you before we close the show out today. The first one is they're both tough questions, but the first one is a tough one, especially for me because of what I'm dealing with right now. But what's your current view of the church? I recently shared a video about what I believe the responsibility is, and I don't mean the physical building and the people within it so much, but I mean just the overall responsibility that we should have individually and collectively as representations of Jesus Christ in the earth. And I talk about this kind of stuff a lot, but when I've asked this question to believers, so much stuff comes out because of the frustrations and what we're feeling and what we feel like we should be and we're not. What's your current view of the church, kathy? You go ahead and share that with us.

Speaker 2: 30:12

Well, I love the church, the body of Christ, so I'll start there. But I am frustrated as well. There are a lot of tears, wheat mixed in with the wheat, and for a long time I thought maybe it was my job to kind of help the wheat exit the church. And then, when that didn't happen, I exited the church and I wasn't going for a long time because it was just like a lot of work. It's a lot of work and it's a lot of keeping your heart from getting offended. You know that's rule number one you can't get offended.

Speaker 2: 30:49

So, it's hard. It's hard and I didn't fit in a hundred percent, because I'm not going to just accept everything hook, line and sinker. I'm going to ask questions, and that makes people leaders particularly uncomfortable, and I'm a woman who has something to say and that makes a lot of people uncomfortable. Right, no question. So you know it's a little bit frustrating, but I'm also hopeful. There's revival breaking out all over this world, in the church, outside of the church and when I say that I mean in four walls and outside of the church, and when I say that I mean in four walls and outside of four walls there's a lot of people recognizing that there's a third person in that Trinity, the Holy Spirit, and that they should be having a relationship with that Holy Spirit. Which gives me hope, because every revival is prefaced by people suddenly discovering that there's a Holy Spirit and that he should be allowed to make a mess of things of their order a little bit. Yes, we need to have orderly services, but your order is very different than God's order, so we just need to get over that. So I'm hopeful because revival is breaking out and it's not being suppressed Like it can't be suppressed at this point. I think we've reached that tipping point.

Speaker 2: 32:05

I do think that the church in America has become materialistic and sort of consumering everything. They even consume the Bible. I read through the Bible in a year. I read through the Bible in a year. I'm like did you apply it? Did you learn something? You know it's. It's okay to read the Bible through a year, but no, they're not applying it. Obviously so, because they're just drinking from a fire hose. There's no discipleship. That's a problem to me. Hardly any discipleship. Nobody even knows what that means. Every time I say the word discipleship, they point me to their Bible study. I'm like that is not the.

Speaker 2: 32:41

Bible. So we got, we have some problems and judgment is coming to the house. I'm watching it happen. More and more leaders are low because they have not exhibited the humility of Christ. If we have the humility of Christ, all these things would be just fixed in an instant, but we don't have the humility of Christ. We don't start with humility. We have this sort of worship of men and women who are at the top sort of celebrity culture, weirdness and also we have this escapist mentality that eked into the church around the enlightenment period that we're supposed to survive until Christ comes back.

Speaker 2: 33:22

That is not what we're supposed to be doing. Horrible theology. Horrible theology. Right, we got to go out into the world and restore God's kingdom here on this earth, meaning I bind up the broken hearted, I cast demons out if they've allowed demons into their life, I heal the sick or whatever. Those are the things we're supposed to be doing and we ain't. So that's a problem. So I would say those are my sort of main issues. The other issue I just thought of this is the gospel.

Speaker 2: 33:54

I talk to so many Christians who think that the gospel is their testimony and I'm like no, that's your testimony, that's your story. It's lovely, it's wonderful and it shows God moving. I want to hear your testimony, but it is not the gospel, the good news of Jesus Christ, that he came to this earth to seek and save the lost, that he died on the cross to free us from the burden of our selfish desires. He rose from the dead to free us from the curse of death. Then he ascended into heaven, where he's seated at the right hand of the father, praying for us, who will follow the trail he blazed as we are transformed into that new creation by the power of the Holy spirit whom he sent as a deposit on his kingdom to come. That's the gospel, and I don't think a lot of people know it.

Speaker 1: 34:42

No, not at all. Anybody want to check out Kathy's book wwwrevelationshipnet. I'd love for people to come to you and ask some more questions about your deconstruction and your reconstruction story and what Revelation Ship is. I hope that they come and chat with you some more in our in the comments section on our YouTube channel under this episode. I'd love for you to share your links there, kathy, so people can kind of get a hold of you and be able to reach out and have these kinds of conversations, maybe about graceful musings or just about your story overall or about your book. So I'm excited about doing that. Hopefully help facilitate that for you. I hope that happens for you.

Speaker 1: 35:27

Final question for you. First off, it's been fun to have you on. I've been enjoying this so much. Hate for it to come to an end. But this is our final question for today and I think I kind of prepped you for it. If you're not authoring books, no blogs, no time at the software company what's Kathy doing? What's her vocation? What's her mission in life? What is she doing with her life? Is she not doing any of those things?

Speaker 2: 35:53

I wanted to be a professor. I would be probably that whole Tweety professor writing on the whiteboard thing. I would have loved to have been. What'd you say?

Speaker 1: 36:06

What are you teaching?

Speaker 2: 36:07

I would probably teach Hebrew I love. I'm sort of a Hebrew geek, so probably Hebrew.

Speaker 1: 36:15

You don't like the Old Testament, but you like Hebrew.

Speaker 2: 36:18

Well, I guess. So You're right. That is kind of inconsistent. I do love the Hebrew language. I'm not Jewish or anything like that but I find it to be fascinating and I would probably teach Hebrew or ancient languages. I do love ancient languages and I like the history of language and how it picked up.

Speaker 2: 36:38

This etymology came from this root and then together it made this word. I think there's a lot to it and I think under the surface of ancient literature, particularly the Bible, there's a whole wealth or trove of information that people in the ancient world would have understood. That we don't because we speak English, which is a very shallow language. English is very shallow, whereas Hebrew is extraordinarily deep. Just words like El Shaddai. Just to geek out for a second, el Shaddai or El Shaddai is what a lot of people say, but it's El Shaddai. So El Shaddai means people say it's translated Almighty God, which isn't a terrible translation if you're going to be short, isn't a terrible translation if you're going to be short, but it really means out of my mountain of abundance, I am your sufficiency. That's extremely deep you could spend a whole sermon on that.

Speaker 1: 37:34

Yeah, I like Hebrew and Greek too, but I don't know if I want to learn how to speak it fluently. I've been struggling with Spanish, so Hebrew. But, kathy, thank you for jumping in here. This has been a fantastic conversation. I would hope it's not the last, but when new books come out and new projects, I'd love for you to jump back on with us and kind of share what's been going on. But thanks again, give a shout out to Mickey Ford For lending you to us for a little while. Definitely appreciate that.

Speaker 1: 38:01

And if you're listening, of course Kathy has a book out wwwrevelationshipnet. You can get it there. Of course you can shoot up her links in the comments section on our YouTube channel. We can reach out to her, ask her questions, put some comments out about the show. We'd love to hear from you both about what you thought about the show. But once again, kathy, thanks for coming in here. But once again, kathy, thanks for coming in here. This has been really fun. Thanks for your time on this. Kathy and Mr Yu, we are out of here. Have a great day. Thanks again for watching and listening.